They are trying to kill off the arena!!!
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I've heard both Tetleys and Marsh Lane quoted as potential sites, both of which aren't too far from the city/station and close enough to the motorway to keep traffic out of the centre.I'd still rather Leeds was kept a Westlife-free zone. I can't see any Arena-sized acts adding any 'cultural wealth' to the city - it's all wretched lowest common denominator music which gains success, utterly artless in most cases. I'm more in favour in principle of a decent exhibition space - I've had to travel to Harrogate and Doncaster before now for events which have no equivalent in Leeds, simply because there hasn't been anywhere suitable as a venue.
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cnosni wrote: simonm wrote: jf wrote: Someone offered to build one with no public funding a while ago. I don't see why such a large public subsidy is needed - unless the events are provided free for the public (which won't happen). Otherwise it's just a big public subsidy for greedy sods like SJM concerts, Ticketmaster and big corporate recording artists, at the expense of decent local grassroots music venues which could make better use of just a fraction of that money. You could build a better case for funding the football club, which would probably be more popular. Good reply, grass roots music venues is what LCC should be promoting, not massive venue spectacles. As to LUAFC, yes, lcc should be co-operating with each other to build a venue, fit for anything, either sports or mere entertainment!! We are missing such a massive opportunity, imho of course! How would promoting grass roots music benefit Leeds financially,it would not.If promoting grass roots music made a musician/s famous then they would end up being snapped up as a "big recording artist". Oh come on, Sheffield did a lot for small independant bands to be nutured in the heart of the city. Good small venues they can perform in with a good small audience and just look at the number of famous Sheffield bands / performers to come out, yet still get the city on the music map, as it were.. Leeds has some massive venues that can be used, so long as LCC get the planning right!!! I was at Hallam Arena last night, to see UB40 (not my cup of tea, but the wife loves em) and was amazed at how bad the sound was. UB40 fans loved it and would have done so no matter if they used loud hailers, but for me, it was echo'y (?) and even, dare I say it, Tinny. Sorry, for me these small "stadium" venues just don't do it. Yes it may generate funds for the city, in incidental spending, but I would rather go to venues like the T+C was or similar to see moderate groups. ER, Headingly, Roundhay park, Temple newsome are the beter places for all sorts of entertainment and the BIG names. Also millions of pounds of OUR money not spent on wasted idea's, that always ultimately leads to private sector funding bailing the councils out at a loss! If some rich boy wants to build one, fine, do it. However, my persoanl choice would be for the council to get it's infrastructure and already existing assets right first!!! LCC missed the boat years ago, long before sheffield even thought of arena's etc. To late.
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Just to add, I would rather the money be spent on a fantastic, state of the art, no holds barred, ultra modern childrens hospital, or a section of an existing one to be turned into a dedicated childrens hospital!! Much better spent, imho of course!!
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simonm wrote: Just to add, I would rather the money be spent on a fantastic, state of the art, no holds barred, ultra modern childrens hospital, or a section of an existing one to be turned into a dedicated childrens hospital!! Much better spent, imho of course!! It's an idea . Much better than a rock-venue . Public money should be for the benefit of the majority of the public and not that of a vociferous minority . A vociferous minority which seems to have formed itself into a pressure-group to influence others and managed to persuade the makers of " Look North " to feature a piece in favour of a concert-venue .Let's have a local low-cost referendum ! This is too important an issue to be left to politicians and pressure-groups ! Perhaps the ' Yorkshire Evening Post " could organise it . Put a tick against one of a number of boxes in a cut-out section of the newspaper and the reader returns the section to the offices of the ' Yorkshire Post " .
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Well the govmnt reckon that a super duper new kids hospital for Leeds was going to cost around 60mill, hence the shelving of the plan. If LCC said they would pay for half I'm sure mr brown would stump up the rest! Mind you, that (non descript person, who shall not be abused in fear of me being banned for life) so called peoples prime minister were to inherit so much money it would be sent to middle east for a war that no one wants and is costing billions.
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Well that's five minutes of my life i'll never get back! I'm just sick of being told that the oh so mighty LCC is too skint to provide a modern kitchen for my Ex girlfriend and son so they will have to do without, when many other LCC owned homes in Leeds have already had state of the art modern kitchens fitted, to hear what people want from this airport money sickens me!! this money should be spent on ALL public services and to stave off the proposed astronomical rise in council robbery.. i mean tax!! I have never been to the MEN arena or to the one in Sheffield and i do not intend to visit them either, i also have no plans to visit an arena in Leeds, so how does it benefit me and my family????? Rant over!!
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If anyone seriously thinks that the council can build an arena which will attract the very best acts and make a profit all for £20 million can I suggest that they cast their eyes towards Bristol and see just how wrong these things go when councils get grandiose ideas?http://www.propertyweek.com/story.asp?s ... 5&c=1Their plans have just been scrapped AFTER £16 million of public money was poured into the site. Oddly enough the private developments of business and residential properties on the same site is still going ahead. To me this suggests that the arena idea was a great way to get the former industrial site cleared for redevelopment and now the profitable stuff can go up while the public funded stuff doesn't.If a private company wants to build an arena with their own money, then fine, let then crack on with it, but I don't want to see my hard earned taxes frittered away on "keeping up with the civic Jones".
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simonm wrote: cnosni wrote: simonm wrote: jf wrote: Someone offered to build one with no public funding a while ago. I don't see why such a large public subsidy is needed - unless the events are provided free for the public (which won't happen). Otherwise it's just a big public subsidy for greedy sods like SJM concerts, Ticketmaster and big corporate recording artists, at the expense of decent local grassroots music venues which could make better use of just a fraction of that money. You could build a better case for funding the football club, which would probably be more popular. Good reply, grass roots music venues is what LCC should be promoting, not massive venue spectacles. As to LUAFC, yes, lcc should be co-operating with each other to build a venue, fit for anything, either sports or mere entertainment!! We are missing such a massive opportunity, imho of course! How would promoting grass roots music benefit Leeds financially,it would not.If promoting grass roots music made a musician/s famous then they would end up being snapped up as a "big recording artist". Oh come on, Sheffield did a lot for small independant bands to be nutured in the heart of the city. Good small venues they can perform in with a good small audience and just look at the number of famous Sheffield bands / performers to come out, yet still get the city on the music map, as it were.. Leeds has some massive venues that can be used, so long as LCC get the planning right!!! I was at Hallam Arena last night, to see UB40 (not my cup of tea, but the wife loves em) and was amazed at how bad the sound was. UB40 fans loved it and would have done so no matter if they used loud hailers, but for me, it was echo'y (?) and even, dare I say it, Tinny. Sorry, for me these small "stadium" venues just don't do it. Yes it may generate funds for the city, in incidental spending, but I would rather go to venues like the T+C was or similar to see moderate groups. ER, Headingly, Roundhay park, Temple newsome are the beter places for all sorts of entertainment and the BIG names. Also millions of pounds of OUR money not spent on wasted idea's, that always ultimately leads to private sector funding bailing the councils out at a loss! If some rich boy wants to build one, fine, do it. However, my persoanl choice would be for the council to get it's infrastructure and already existing assets right first!!! LCC missed the boat years ago, long before sheffield even thought of arena's etc. To late. Promoting grass roots music does not bring finacial rewards to a city,it enriches the cultural benefits of a city but ultimately the financial rewards,if any,go to the artist who the invarialbly up sticks and moves to LondonThe arena would,if suitably placed,bring more more money/investment/development/jobs into Leeds,you cannot argue with that.It seems that the people objecting to the arena are those that dont/wont use it.If that was applied to me then we should not have spent £31.5M on the Grand Theatre refurbishment,i dont use it so why spend our money on it!!!!!!well clearly that would be a selfish and mistaken opinion to hold as even though i dont go there i realise that there are many (though not 12,500 a night )people that do,its all part of the cultural make up of Leeds which needs to be maintained and enhanced,which is what the arena will do.As for a childrens hospital then i would have to agree that the money would be better spent on such a project,but the Childrens hospital is a project that involves the Leeds Health trust and NHS,not the council.The T+C is reopening as a Carling Academy,ideally suited for the smaller end of the popular music market,and is in fact my personal preference for a gig.My desire to see an arena built is not a purely musical one,its the benefits to the city and its population that are paramount.You do not need to go to the arena to benefit from it.Any way,the motion was well defeated,and though there has been no confirmation there does seem to be a possibility that the arena will be built down on Sweet Street,so just on the edge of the centre (which is expanding in the general direction of Holbeck),within Holbeck Urban village,next to a fairly run down area with high unemployment and next to the main motorway network connections both North and South.The location will also benefit from the new south entrance that is going to be built for the train station.As for the MEN being able to be reduced in size for smaller gigs then i have yet to see such a downsizing in my many attendances for acts that cant fill more than half of the capacity,neither have i seen this at Sheffield,though my attendance there is not as frequent as the MEN.The NEC does do a downsizing,but this is simply a large floor to ceiling curtain that is put in place,cutting the whole seating area in half,hardly condusive to a more intimate experience.Perhaps,all in all, the detractors and promoters of the arena should hold judgement until we can see the arena plans,then we can either whoop for joy or bury our head in our hands.
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raveydavey wrote: If anyone seriously thinks that the council can build an arena which will attract the very best acts and make a profit all for £20 million can I suggest that they cast their eyes towards Bristol and see just how wrong these things go when councils get grandiose ideas?http://www.propertyweek.com/story.asp?s ... 5&c=1Their plans have just been scrapped AFTER £16 million of public money was poured into the site. Oddly enough the private developments of business and residential properties on the same site is still going ahead. To me this suggests that the arena idea was a great way to get the former industrial site cleared for redevelopment and now the profitable stuff can go up while the public funded stuff doesn't.If a private company wants to build an arena with their own money, then fine, let then crack on with it, but I don't want to see my hard earned taxes frittered away on "keeping up with the civic Jones". raveydavey the council are not going to be running the arena,they are using the £20m and/or land to start it off.The idea is that private developers will take the project forward with their own investment and that a seperate group will run the arena,with the council taking a slice of the profits.Now im no Tory but one thing i would say in their defence that they are not known for frittering money away,they tend to be quite stingy.The current administration have been vey slow and careful in this project,frustratingly slow at times,but clearly this shows that they are being as sure as possible that this would be a good thing for the city overall.Funnily enough it was in the Labour councils "vision for Leeds"where an arena was first mooted,it seems that now they are in the opposition that its not such a good idea.By the way i believe that the remaining £31m is being placed ito education and the road infrastucture,hope this doesnt upset people without kids or cars.
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Personally I am sick to the back teeth of having to travel outside of Leeds to see big bands. I saw the Foo Fighters just last month at the Hallam Arena. They also play hockey and backetball there as well as stage exhibitions and gigs. I think that all these people saying they shouldn't build a music venue are quite frankly being selfish and saying this purely because it's not their thing! I think that we should all remember that it's the various different elements of Leeds that make it such a great city. There's plenty of stuff that I personally wouldn't have built but when you look at the bigger picture it all comes together to make Leeds what it is, and I for one wouldn't change it for the world