Did Harry win his bet?

Spackler · Post by **Spackler** » Sat 28 Jan, 2012 4:20 pm

tyke bhoy wrote: Would Turf Commission Agent be a posh name for Turf Accountant.I'm taking this is something to do with Jim Windsor's fathers willhttp://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/39754/p ... 3/page.pdf Not necessarily. Commission Agents are people who place a bet on someone elses behalf, taking a commission for doing so.

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Sun 29 Jan, 2012 3:27 am

tyke bhoy wrote: Would Turf Commission Agent be a posh name for Turf Accountant.I'm taking this is something to do with Jim Windsor's fathers willhttp://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/39754/p ... 3/page.pdf This will is Norman's the brother of Jim. Norman born 1902 in Leeds. Norman was also a Turf Commission Agent.From the 1939 Phone book Norman was a Commission Agent at 53 Kirkstall Road.Jim had four "shops" in 193956 Harewood Street - Leeds 29 Cross Street - Leeds 1578 Meanwood Road - Leeds 61 Driffield Place - Leeds 1The earliest listing I can find for Jim as a "Commission Agent" is in 1935 at 61 North Street before that there was a Jim Windsor Fruiterer at 2 Hollis Street (same chap ?)In the 1911 Census Jim is living at 28 Willow Grove, Kirkstall Road. His father (also Jim) is listed as a GrocerJim aged 13 is a Hammer Driver at Leeds Forge, as the saying goes "The boy done good"

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Sun 29 Jan, 2012 9:12 am

Thanks Uncle Mick and Spackler. I take it on course betting was legal pre 1963 so a turf commission agent would collect bets in the shop and then go to the race meeting and place the bets with a legal bookmaker there. To be 100% legal they would have to "lay off" 100% of the bets (less their commission) as oppose to bookies who only lay off where they think they are overexposed?Could this also be an advent of no win no fee. I.e. some agents offfered to only deduct commission from winnings?

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Sun 29 Jan, 2012 12:40 pm

Although this Leodis photo was taken in 1967, members of my family say that this bookie's office was in operation prior to 1960, which is when they moved away. http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Sun 29 Jan, 2012 4:54 pm

Time may haven taken its toll on my memory,but I seem toremember that Jim must have had a daughter.When she married it was to someone called Brown.He then went to work for Jim and took windsor as part of his namebecoming XXX Windsor Brown,this of course always reminded meof Brown Windsor soup.Anybody remember ?

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Mon 30 Jan, 2012 5:12 am

dogduke wrote: Time may haven taken its toll on my memory,but I seem toremember that Jim must have had a daughter.When she married it was to someone called Brown.He then went to work for Jim and took windsor as part of his namebecoming XXX Windsor Brown,this of course always reminded meof Brown Windsor soup.Anybody remember ? Jim did have a daughter called Violet who married William S Brown in Leeds in 1946, so it seems the old memory is OK