William Hairyes

nico2176 · Post by **nico2176** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 11:19 am

Hi everyone im researching my family history and you guys have been a big help before.my gre gre gre grandfather William Hairyes 1831 / 1890 lived in Holbeck in 1881 census his adress is given as 170 ,7th avenue, Holbeck,New Wortley,Leeds. I was wondering if anyone has any information on this address ? Thanks

nico2176 · Post by **nico2176** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 3:26 pm

Hi i apoligise havent put details up, William Hairyes was born 1831 in Balk,North Yorkshire, he died in Bramley,Leeds in April 1890 He worked as a ag labouerer and a railway porter,.he lived at 170 7th avenue holbeck,leeds in 1881 with his wife elizabeth his sons john henry,mary and emily hogg,any information about about his residnce would be gratefully recived thanks again

iansmithofotley · Post by **iansmithofotley** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 5:06 pm

Hi nico2176,The address is 5 Seventh Avenue. The 1881 Census shows all of the family there, but Elizabeth died in 1882 and William in 1890. In the 1891 Census, the address is occupied by a Thomas Tully and his family.It looks as though the Hairyes children - Henry, Emily (Hogg), John, Hannah, Mary, William, George and James all moved out of the address after their father's death.You will need to do further research to find out where all of the children went to. The 'avenues' were terraced houses situated at the bottom of Tong Road in Leeds 12. They went from First Avenue to Eighteenth Avenue, consecutively. Some avenues adjoined Tong Road whilst others crossed them.Seventh Avenue was situated between Fifteenth Avenue and Eighteenth Avenue. (N.B. - don't get confused with Seventh Avenue at Rothwell, LS 26, which is miles away)Here is an example of the houses in First Avenue:http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... 20_167020I hope that this helps.Ian

liits · Post by **liits** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 5:27 pm

iansmithofotley beat me to it, 170 is the shedule number on the sheets, not the house number.I've managed to figure out that all the odd numbers are on the south side of the streets but I am unable to figure out which end they start at ie if No.1 was at the 15th Avenue end or the 14th Avenue end. It is do-able but you would need to trawl through the census sheets.In the meantime, here is where 7th Avenue was in relation to todays streets. The two properties marked in red are the two options for No5 Seventh Avenue.As ever, click on the red X to show the picture.

Post by **mhoulden** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 5:51 pm

The "numbered" Avenue streets in Holbeck occupy an area next to Armley Prison and New Wortley cemetery, between Green Lane, Hall Lane and Tong Rd (see http://goo.gl/yOozi for a Google Map link). It looks like most of the area was flattened during slum clearance programmes, but 1, 2, 3, 8 and 14 remain, albeit on slightly different street plans. Looking at the Old Maps site (http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html) it looks like 7th Ave disappeared some time between 1971 and 1982. Here's a photo of First Avenue on Leodis.net which ran parallel to it. Some interesting comments about its demolition on the page at http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL as welland Third Avenue:(from http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL)If you search on Leodis (http://www.leodis.net/default.aspx) for Green Lane there are quite a lot of photos of the area there, including a few scenes from the film Billy Liar

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nico2176 · Post by **nico2176** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 8:15 pm

Thanks evryone your right, you were an excellent help with my great grandfather john hairyes,now i am up to researching his grandfather(my gre gre gre grandfather. william hairyes.Is there any ideas where he would have worked in leeds if he was a railway porter,many thanks

jim · Post by **jim** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 8:43 pm

I am afraid there are rather a lot of possibilities for railway porters witin a couple of miles of his home nico2176. People were prepared to walk to work over this kind distance as a matter of course in the nineteenth century.If he were a passenger station porter he might have worked at Holbeck High Level, Holbeck Low Level, Armey Moor, Armley Canal Road, Leeds Central, Leeds Wellington, or Leeds New.Goods warehouses needed larger numbers of porters, and these could be found at Wellington Street, Whitehall Road, Hunslet Lane, and Marsh Lane. Goods depots without large warehouses also employed a few porters, and there were possibly half a dozen in the local area. Which of them had regular porters I can't say.

nico2176 · Post by **nico2176** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 8:46 pm

I Have a marriage cert for william in 8th june 1885 to mary ann hoys in the parish of new wortley.his age is down as 50 approx birth year 1835 fathers name wiliam hairyes lawyer, hes listed as a porter and a widowerer. does anyone know what his final address was because his last cenus entry is in 1881, but he died in bramley in april 1890 and had his 4th wife with him.many thnaks from nico2176

nico2176 · Post by **nico2176** » Wed 03 Aug, 2011 8:51 pm

jim wrote: I am afraid there are rather a lot of possibilities for railway porters witin a couple of miles of his home nico2176. People were prepared to walk to work over this kind distance as a matter of course in the nineteenth century.If he were a passenger station porter he might have worked at Holbeck High Level, Holbeck Low Level, Armey Moor, Armley Canal Road, Leeds Central, Leeds Wellington, or Leeds New.Goods warehouses needed larger numbers of porters, and these could be found at Wellington Street, Whitehall Road, Hunslet Lane, and Marsh Lane. Goods depots without large warehouses also employed a few porters, and there were possibly half a dozen in the local area. Which of them had regular porters I can't say. Thanks jim that is fasinating, i dont suppose there any records kept of employment records still around regarding william ? i know its a long shot! many thanks