tracing Army records

Si · Post by Si » Wed 07 Oct, 2009 2:45 pm

Continued from the Skulls thread...Hi Chris,James William Shires was born in Leeds (can't be any more specific, I'm afraid) and lived in Sheepscar in 1901, I think.He lived in Eighth Avenue, Wortley, between the wars up to his death in 1937. My father was born in his house. I don't know if that was his address between 1914 and 1918. He's buried in New Wortley Cemetery.Cheers, Si.

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 12:30 am

Si wrote: Continued from the Skulls thread...Hi Chris,James William Shires was born in Leeds (can't be any more specific, I'm afraid) and lived in Sheepscar in 1901, I think.He lived in Eighth Avenue, Wortley, between the wars up to his death in 1937. My father was born in his house. I don't know if that was his address between 1914 and 1918. He's buried in New Wortley Cemetery.Cheers, Si. Hi Si,found a James W in the 1901 census Sheepscar,born 1881,Railway shunter,is that him? Poss birth registered jul -sep 1880 Leeds,James William Shires.Hang on,weve been here before havent we?

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 12:46 am

A little pressie for you Si,1911 censusSHIRES, WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 30 GOODS GUARD LEEDS YORKSHIRE SHIRES, LILY WIFE MARRIED 6 F 29 LEEDS YORKSHIRE WHITEHOUSE, HANNAH MOTHER IN LAW WIDOW F 65 YORK YORKSHIRE WHITEHOUSE, WILLIAM BROTHER IN LAW SINGLE M 33 CARTER LEEDS YORKSHIRE SHIRES, WILLIAM SON SINGLE M 5 LEEDS YORKSHIRE SHIRES, LILY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 4 LEEDS YORKSHIRE (RG14PN26953 RG78PN1547 RD500 SD2 ED10 SN4Address 2 ALMA GROVE County Yorkshire West Riding District Leeds Subdistrict North Leeds Enumeration District 10 Parish Leeds Have you started building your tree on Genesreunited?

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 12:55 am

Si that short astestation for War Pension of William Shires that you found is your William.It states that he lives in Sheepscar,his uncle James is his next of kin (no address)and that his wife is Lily Whitehouse,they were married at St John the Baptist,Leeds,10/09/1905 witnesses Fred Whitehouse and Bertha Spirrett. He served in Limerick for a time,do you have access to Ancestry?

Si · Post by Si » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 12:29 pm

That's fantastic, Chris! Thankyou very much!They weren't very imaginative when naming the kids, were they? Their daughter Lily was my grandma (my dad's mum.)I haven't seen the attestation you have. Mine is dated 23/4/190illegible, but gives his age as 20, and all the "Her Majesty's" have been changed to "His Majesty's" by hand. The date looks like 1902, Victoria dying in January of 1901.At the top is his number, 7054, name (just William Shires) and Corps - "Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry." Where it asks if he already belongs to the forces, it says "Yes, 3rd Bn Yk and Lanc Regiment." For "what corps are you willing to be enlisted?" it says "Yorkshire I. of the Line." I have, what I'm told, is his cap badge - looks just like the one above (The Dukes) but a bit more battered. My dad likes to think it stopped a bullet! It's only made of monkey-metal, so I doubt it - most likely got sat on!I'm a bit confused, but it must be him? The 1911 Census entry is definately him. The attestation has him serving 3 years with the colours, and 9 years in reserve. If 1902 is correct, that has him finishing in 1914, just in time for the War! He must have signed up for a third time - or was just very unlucky? I guess his years of previous army experience saved him from the carnage, as he survived, dying in 1937.When, and with who did he serve in Limerick? I have a fairly large tree on Genesreunited, and I was on Ancestry, but have had to let my subscriptions lapse, being unemployed. Food and roof-over-head come first!!!Thanks again Chris.

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 12:55 pm

Si wrote: That's fantastic, Chris! Thankyou very much!They weren't very imaginative when naming the kids, were they? Their daughter Lily was my grandma (my dad's mum.)I haven't seen the attestation you have. Mine is dated 23/4/190illegible, but gives his age as 20, and all the "Her Majesty's" have been changed to "His Majesty's" by hand. The date looks like 1902, Victoria dying in January of 1901.At the top is his number, 7054, name (just William Shires) and Corps - "Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry." Where it asks if he already belongs to the forces, it says "Yes, 3rd Bn Yk and Lanc Regiment." For "what corps are you willing to be enlisted?" it says "Yorkshire I. of the Line." I have, what I'm told, is his cap badge - looks just like the one above (The Dukes) but a bit more battered. My dad likes to think it stopped a bullet! It's only made of monkey-metal, so I doubt it - most likely got sat on!I'm a bit confused, but it must be him? The 1911 Census entry is definately him. The attestation has him serving 3 years with the colours, and 9 years in reserve. If 1902 is correct, that has him finishing in 1914, just in time for the War! He must have signed up for a third time - or was just very unlucky? I guess his years of previous army experience saved him from the carnage, as he survived, dying in 1937.When, and with who did he serve in Limerick? I have a fairly large tree on Genesreunited, and I was on Ancestry, but have had to let my subscriptions lapse, being unemployed. Food and roof-over-head come first!!!Thanks again Chris. Thats defo Dukes cap badge.Im on ancestry,so ill lok at it for you,download the document (one page is blurred) and somehow get it to you.I think theres a medal record as well,for a William in the west Riding,i think it said something about 1915.The Dukes archive may be able to give you his embarkation date and company number.they found out lots of stuff for me,cost £20 but worth itDrop me a message on Genesreunited by searching for a marmaduke pickard born woodhouse leeds,and i can forward you my email,though chameleon,Brandy and Digger have mine if you have theirs.

Si · Post by Si » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 1:13 pm

Will do. Errr...it won't let me send a message (subscription out of date.)Try sending a message to me. Search for Bethel Glendenning. You should find me (hopefully!) and I'll e-mail you the Attestation I've got.PS I'll be on my wife's e-mail address when I reply.

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 1:58 pm

cnosni wrote: Si wrote: That's fantastic, Chris! Thankyou very much!They weren't very imaginative when naming the kids, were they? Their daughter Lily was my grandma (my dad's mum.)I haven't seen the attestation you have. Mine is dated 23/4/190illegible, but gives his age as 20, and all the "Her Majesty's" have been changed to "His Majesty's" by hand. The date looks like 1902, Victoria dying in January of 1901.At the top is his number, 7054, name (just William Shires) and Corps - "Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry." Where it asks if he already belongs to the forces, it says "Yes, 3rd Bn Yk and Lanc Regiment." For "what corps are you willing to be enlisted?" it says "Yorkshire I. of the Line." I have, what I'm told, is his cap badge - looks just like the one above (The Dukes) but a bit more battered. My dad likes to think it stopped a bullet! It's only made of monkey-metal, so I doubt it - most likely got sat on!I'm a bit confused, but it must be him? The 1911 Census entry is definately him. The attestation has him serving 3 years with the colours, and 9 years in reserve. If 1902 is correct, that has him finishing in 1914, just in time for the War! He must have signed up for a third time - or was just very unlucky? I guess his years of previous army experience saved him from the carnage, as he survived, dying in 1937.When, and with who did he serve in Limerick? I have a fairly large tree on Genesreunited, and I was on Ancestry, but have had to let my subscriptions lapse, being unemployed. Food and roof-over-head come first!!!Thanks again Chris. Thats defo Dukes cap badge.Im on ancestry,so ill lok at it for you,download the document (one page is blurred) and somehow get it to you.I think theres a medal record as well,for a William in the west Riding,i think it said something about 1915.The Dukes archive may be able to give you his embarkation date and company number.they found out lots of stuff for me,cost £20 but worth itDrop me a message on Genesreunited by searching for a marmaduke pickard born woodhouse leeds,and i can forward you my email,though chameleon,Brandy and Digger have mine if you have theirs. Hello Cnosni.Sounds like Bill Shires served in the same mob as my Grandad .This is the man who's service record you looked up for me a few weeks ago!3rd batt. York and Lancs.Served in S Africa.Boer war.Then went into the reserves and 1914 joined West yorks. His W.Yoks batt. did not serve overseas though.

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 2:03 pm

stutterdog wrote: cnosni wrote: Si wrote: That's fantastic, Chris! Thankyou very much!They weren't very imaginative when naming the kids, were they? Their daughter Lily was my grandma (my dad's mum.)I haven't seen the attestation you have. Mine is dated 23/4/190illegible, but gives his age as 20, and all the "Her Majesty's" have been changed to "His Majesty's" by hand. The date looks like 1902, Victoria dying in January of 1901.At the top is his number, 7054, name (just William Shires) and Corps - "Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry." Where it asks if he already belongs to the forces, it says "Yes, 3rd Bn Yk and Lanc Regiment." For "what corps are you willing to be enlisted?" it says "Yorkshire I. of the Line." I have, what I'm told, is his cap badge - looks just like the one above (The Dukes) but a bit more battered. My dad likes to think it stopped a bullet! It's only made of monkey-metal, so I doubt it - most likely got sat on!I'm a bit confused, but it must be him? The 1911 Census entry is definately him. The attestation has him serving 3 years with the colours, and 9 years in reserve. If 1902 is correct, that has him finishing in 1914, just in time for the War! He must have signed up for a third time - or was just very unlucky? I guess his years of previous army experience saved him from the carnage, as he survived, dying in 1937.When, and with who did he serve in Limerick? I have a fairly large tree on Genesreunited, and I was on Ancestry, but have had to let my subscriptions lapse, being unemployed. Food and roof-over-head come first!!!Thanks again Chris. Thats defo Dukes cap badge.Im on ancestry,so ill lok at it for you,download the document (one page is blurred) and somehow get it to you.I think theres a medal record as well,for a William in the west Riding,i think it said something about 1915.The Dukes archive may be able to give you his embarkation date and company number.they found out lots of stuff for me,cost £20 but worth itDrop me a message on Genesreunited by searching for a marmaduke pickard born woodhouse leeds,and i can forward you my email,though chameleon,Brandy and Digger have mine if you have theirs. Hello Cnosni.Sounds like Bill Shires served in the same mob as my Grandad .This is the man who's service record you looked up for me a few weeks ago!3rd batt. York and Lancs.Served in S Africa.Boer war.Then went into the reserves and 1914 joined West yorks. His W.Yoks batt. did not serve overseas though. There were some reserve/labour battalion

Si · Post by Si » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 4:13 pm

Si wrote: Will do. Errr...it won't let me send a message (subscription out of date.)Try sending a message to me. Search for Bethel Glendenning. You should find me (hopefully!) and I'll e-mail you the Attestation I've got.PS I'll be on my wife's e-mail address when I reply. Any luck, Chris?