tracing Army records

oldkirby · Post by **oldkirby** » Sat 22 Aug, 2009 10:48 am

You say his pension was a good one, if he had reached the rank of lieutenant or higher he will have been "gazetted" (his name will appear in the London Gazette). www.gazettes-online.co.uk it is a free site, maybe try the Search Builder option as it is easy to get lost. Good luck

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 23 Aug, 2009 12:40 pm

oldkirby wrote: You can try the Commonwealth War Graves Commissionwww.cwgc.org if he comes up it should give you his age, rank and service number ect, it is a free service. Thats for soldiers who died,unless they have a new database

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 23 Aug, 2009 12:41 pm

stutterdog wrote: cnosni wrote: The absent voters list should tell you where he lived.Have you looked at the central library Local/family history section volumes,compiled by a local volunteer?There are a number of volumes but basically you look up the index of names,take the reference number next to the name and then look up the details in the actual volumes.The library staff can help,but the guy who didf it comes in just about everyday and goes around asking if you are looking for relatives from WW1,nice fella,though i dont know his name.I got both my grandfathers addresses,army and navy numbers.The National Archive online has WW1 military records,though army ones are incomplete as many of them were damaged during the blitz.They are known as the Burnt RecordsThe National Archives directs you to Ancestry.co.uk,so you may need someone who subscribes to search for you.World war one medal records may also help,but it only gives number and what part of the army they were inhttp://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentson ... 439Another worthwhile source is the National Roll of the Great War,which i have on CD rom,which i can check.I cant guarantee if he will be on as it wasa costly affair to have a mention in it,about a few shillings i think. Thanks cosni for this information.I think I will have to take a day and go down to the Central Library and have a look at the records you mention but if you can check and it wont cost you have a look for Fred Lazenby.He is on the Absent voters but I dont know if it's him.He did live at a dwelling in Barkers buildings in Burmantofts.Thanks again. Will check when i get home tonight

Post by **cnosni** » Sun 23 Aug, 2009 12:44 pm

Checked the medal index on National Archives,any of these look any good?No mention of a Northumberland regiment though.Do you know the names of Freds parents and when/where he was born?Description Date Catalogue ref Details Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment Regiment No: 242296 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Coldstream Guards Regiment No: 23423 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: West Yorkshire Regiment Regiment No: 7507 Rank: Private... 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 775574 Rank: Driver 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred D Corps: East Yorkshire Regiment Regiment No: 13013 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Yorkshire Light Infantry Regiment No: 35566 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Army Service Corps Regiment No: S4/043771 Rank: Private... 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred C Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 98802 Rank: Corporal 2nd... 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: York and Lancaster Regiment Regiment No: 19685 Rank: Private... 1914-1920 WO 372/12

oldkirby · Post by **oldkirby** » Sun 23 Aug, 2009 8:07 pm

Yep, sorry about the CWGC it is for those who died in the war.A bit like Private 242296 (first on cnosni's list) who died 26/3/1918.

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Sun 23 Aug, 2009 10:41 pm

cnosni wrote: Checked the medal index on National Archives,any of these look any good?No mention of a Northumberland regiment though.Do you know the names of Freds parents and when/where he was born?Description Date Catalogue ref Details Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment Regiment No: 242296 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Coldstream Guards Regiment No: 23423 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: West Yorkshire Regiment Regiment No: 7507 Rank: Private... 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 775574 Rank: Driver 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred D Corps: East Yorkshire Regiment Regiment No: 13013 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Yorkshire Light Infantry Regiment No: 35566 Rank: Private 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: Army Service Corps Regiment No: S4/043771 Rank: Private... 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred C Corps: Royal Engineers Regiment No: 98802 Rank: Corporal 2nd... 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Medal card of Lazenby, Fred Corps: York and Lancaster Regiment Regiment No: 19685 Rank: Private... 1914-1920 WO 372/12 Hello cosni, I've had look on 1881 census and Fre Lazenby was born in 1878 at 11, barkers Buildings ,Leeds. His father was Benjamine or possibly Benjamin Lazenby. His mothers name was Eliza.He also had a younger brother Thomas. I think possibly the 3rd Fred on your list is the most likely reg no.7507.Thanks again for taking the trouble with this.I'm grateful.

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Mon 24 Aug, 2009 12:06 am

Here chris ive got a mission for you if you wish to acceptI was out hunting with the detector on some new land up at barnbow that ive just got permision on.Anyway i unearthed this excellent ww1 medal shown here.it has cleaned up nicely and on the side is the inscription>128088PNR .j.w RICHARDSON R.EI would really love to find his surviving family members so i could possibly give them it back,what do you think mate??Ive emailed the British legion to see if they can help?

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Mon 24 Aug, 2009 12:13 am

oldkirby wrote: You say his pension was a good one, if he had reached the rank of lieutenant or higher he will have been "gazetted" (his name will appear in the London Gazette). www.gazettes-online.co.uk it is a free site, maybe try the Search Builder option as it is easy to get lost. Good luck Hi oldkirby, He wasn't an officer so would not be in the London Gazette. Was £1-1s a week a good pension in 1920? I would have thought so, but then again maybe not.He must have sustained a wound or some sort of disability whilst serving in the Army. I have not got his medals as he died when my mother was 16 and by that time her mother had died too.She didn't know who had got his medals.

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 24 Aug, 2009 2:16 pm

Brandy wrote: Here chris ive got a mission for you if you wish to acceptI was out hunting with the detector on some new land up at barnbow that ive just got permision on.Anyway i unearthed this excellent ww1 medal shown here.it has cleaned up nicely and on the side is the inscription>128088PNR .j.w RICHARDSON R.EI would really love to find his surviving family members so i could possibly give them it back,what do you think mate??Ive emailed the British legion to see if they can help? Well ill see what i can do.Ill have to make some assumptions at first.

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 24 Aug, 2009 2:18 pm

stutterdog wrote: oldkirby wrote: You say his pension was a good one, if he had reached the rank of lieutenant or higher he will have been "gazetted" (his name will appear in the London Gazette). www.gazettes-online.co.uk it is a free site, maybe try the Search Builder option as it is easy to get lost. Good luck Hi oldkirby, He wasn't an officer so would not be in the London Gazette. Was £1-1s a week a good pension in 1920? I would have thought so, but then again maybe not.He must have sustained a wound or some sort of disability whilst serving in the Army. I have not got his medals as he died when my mother was 16 and by that time her mother had died too.She didn't know who had got his medals. Ok ive found no mention on the Leeds National Roll of Honour for WW1I have found a medal record for a Federick Lazenby in the Northunberland Fusileers,private ,number 7/1195,but it is marked "presumed dead"does that number match your absent voters record?will keep hunting