Leeds Tramway Subway Plans

roundhegian · Post by **roundhegian** » Mon 08 Oct, 2007 10:09 pm

roundhegian wrote: LS1 wrote: There is information on this in Jim Soaper's Leeds Transport book. Also hunt around in some of the threads on here. There are some pics people have put up of plans from this and previous schemes. LS1 is absolutely right about J. Soper's Leeds Transport history .Pages 819 and 820 of Volume Three show : Briggate Station City Square Station and North Street Station Note the comment about " proposed inner ring-road " at the junction of New Briggate , Vicar Lane and New York Road . These plans were drawn in 1944 . Try again and North Street Station ( with ring-road comment )

roundhegian · Post by **roundhegian** » Mon 08 Oct, 2007 10:19 pm

[quotenick="roundhegian"] roundhegian wrote: LS1 wrote: There is information on this in Jim Soaper's Leeds Transport book. Also hunt around in some of the threads on here. There are some pics people have put up of plans from this and previous schemes. LS1 is absolutely right about J. Soper's Leeds Transport history .Pages 819 and 820 of Volume Three show : Briggate Station City Square Station and North Street Station Note the comment about " proposed inner ring-road " at the junction of New Briggate , Vicar Lane and New York Road . Finally a plan showing the whole of the city-centre system . These plans were drawn in 1944 . Clicking on the city-centre map will show the detail .

roundhegian · Post by **roundhegian** » Wed 10 Oct, 2007 8:19 pm

[quotenick="jane666"]is this info from a book, or available online? i'd be interested to read more.[/quotII am setting up a blog in which I am pulling together subway information from " Leeds Trams 1932-1959 " by Andrew D. Young and volume 4 of " Leeds Transport " by James Soper .The total cost of the scheme ( 1944 prices ) was £4,000,000 a sum ( ludicrously low by today's standards ) which would have been borrowed and repaid over 80 years , ie. in 2030 the loan would have been repaid .Given the devaluation of sterling in the 1960s and the 20 per cent plus inflation of that decade and the 1970s repayments would seem absurdly low to the present-day Leeds citizen .When the blog is up and running I'll let you know .

gledhowvalleysally · Post by **gledhowvalleysally** » Wed 10 Oct, 2007 11:20 pm

well done roundhegian, how different things could have been.by all accounts it was all the vision of one man (vane morland???) we've that book in our house which has the city square station pic in colour. sounds like there was no one reason why it didn't happen more like a combination of things not least the war!my first post!!

roundhegian · Post by **roundhegian** » Fri 12 Oct, 2007 12:59 pm

gledhowvalleysally wrote: well done roundhegian, how different things could have been.by all accounts it was all the vision of one man (vane morland???) we've that book in our house which has the city square station pic in colour. sounds like there was no one reason why it didn't happen more like a combination of things not least the war!my first post!! It was W. Vane Morland - a man of great vision . The then council-controlling Labour Party did the Leeds citizens of the 1940s and 1950s a great disservice by not carrying out the plan .What stopped the proposal being carried out ?Simple - the Leeds Labour Party [which controlled Leeds City Council after the 1946 local elections ] was anti-tram [ arguably the majority of the city's population was pro-tram] and the Labour chairman of the transport committee John Rafferty [a man who would never argue if he could throw abuse at an opponent] was virulently anti-tram .If you visit my blogs : http;//leedstramsubwaypart1.blogspot.comhttp;//leedstramsubwaypart2.blogspot.comhttp://leedstramsubwaypart3.blogspot.comandhttp://leedstramsubwaypart4.blogspot.comyou will find much more detail .I have fond memories of Gledhow Valley when I was a schoolboy and a teenager !

jane666 · Post by **jane666** » Sat 13 Oct, 2007 4:03 pm

roundhegian wrote: gledhowvalleysally wrote: well done roundhegian, how different things could have been.by all accounts it was all the vision of one man (vane morland???) we've that book in our house which has the city square station pic in colour. sounds like there was no one reason why it didn't happen more like a combination of things not least the war!my first post!! It was W. Vane Morland - a man of great vision .What stopped the proposal being carried out ?Simple - the Leeds Labour Party [which controlled Leeds City Council after the 1946 local elections ] was anti-tram and the Labour chairman of the transport committee John Rafferty [a man who would never argue if he could throw abuse at an opponent] was virulently anti-tram .If you visit my blogs : http;//leedstramsubwaypart1.blogspot.comhttp;//leedstramsubwaypart2.blogspot.comhttp://leedstramsubwaypart3.blogspot.comandhttp://leedstramsubwaypart4.blogspot.comyou will find much more detail .I have fond memories of Gledhow Valley when I was a teenager ! hey roundhegian, got the links thru my e-mail. thanks. interesting reading.