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Postby cnosni » Fri 24 Jan, 2014 12:01 am

Surprisingly there is no thread dedicated to the HS2 project,so i thought i would start one.

Leeds Civic Trust have put together a presentation on oprtons for HS2 with regards to Leeds,some of which deserves some merit

http://www.leedscivictrust.org.uk/uploads/leeds/mainsite/downloads/PDFs/Planning/LCTRouteResponse-Jan14.pdf

Personally id go for option 1 on the route for a northern spur into/out of Leeds and option 1 for the siting of the new station,if only to see the back of tht old Dragonara hotel.
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Postby raveydavey » Fri 24 Jan, 2014 9:26 pm

Thanks for posting.

Quite a bit of the LCT proposals makes sense, however, there is a fierce undercurrent of anti-car sentiment creeping in, much as we may have come to expect from Leeds' self appointed ruling elite and especially now the LCT have publicly given support to the follybus despite the carnage it will wreak through conservation areas and to historic buildings.

Office workers "should be using the excellent public transport links available to them" indeed....perhaps they can tell us where they are, as I've not seen much public transport in Leeds that could be rated as 'excellent'!
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Postby Leodian » Fri 24 Jan, 2014 10:29 pm

Or perhaps by hover buses (hover trolley buses?). Tongue
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Postby cnosni » Mon 03 Feb, 2014 2:21 pm

The guy in charge of HS2 wants all parts of the project to start at the same time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10613735/HS2-Its-now-or-never.-The-meter-is-always-ticking-says-Sir-David-Higgins.html

Surely this would make most sense, it would reduce the overall length of the project and would cut costs.
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Postby tyke bhoy » Mon 03 Feb, 2014 2:29 pm

cnosni wrote:
The guy in charge of HS2 wants all parts of the project to start at the same time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10613735/HS2-Its-now-or-never.-The-meter-is-always-ticking-says-Sir-David-Higgins.html

Surely this would make most sense, it would reduce the overall length of the project and would cut costs.
It would make sense however pretty much every other construction project in the UK would have to be put on hold. It would also mean all the construction workers signing up to a "short term" project rather than a few having long term secuity. Then at the end of the project there would be a flood of temporarily unemployed construction workers admittedly with a backlog of other construction projects needing a workforce.
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Postby cnosni » Mon 03 Feb, 2014 8:23 pm

tyke bhoy wrote:
cnosni wrote:
The guy in charge of HS2 wants all parts of the project to start at the same time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10613735/HS2-Its-now-or-never.-The-meter-is-always-ticking-says-Sir-David-Higgins.html

Surely this would make most sense, it would reduce the overall length of the project and would cut costs.
It would make sense however pretty much every other construction project in the UK would have to be put on hold. It would also mean all the construction workers signing up to a "short term" project rather than a few having long term secuity. Then at the end of the project there would be a flood of temporarily unemployed construction workers admittedly with a backlog of other construction projects needing a workforce.

I think the problem,as the article makes out,is the shortage of engineers. Theres plenty of potential cosntruction employees who have been laid off in the alst 5 or 6 years.

Question is do they still possess teh necessary skills, and would they foresake any current job they are in now.
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Postby cnosni » Fri 21 Feb, 2014 8:37 pm

THE chairman of HS2 has said Yorkshire’s cities must unite and work together to secure improvements to transport networks or risk losing out.

Speaking at the Yorkshire Post headquarters, Sir David Higgins told an audience of business and civic leaders that they must help themselves if they want to realise the benefits of high-speed rail.

He said that Greater Manchester sees itself as a big integrated commercial centre but Leeds, Bradford and Wakefield act as totally different cities with little in common. “No-one here behaves as one big combined conurbation that all trades off each other,” he said.
“To get the most out of Government in transport planning, you have to do that. You have to help yourself. You must have your own plans. Manchester... it’s a case of holding them back.”

Sir David, the man who delivered the London Olympics on time and on budget, visited Leeds with the board of HS2 Ltd, the company responsible for developing and promoting the £50bn project linking London and the North.

He said: “It is damned obvious that London has got the lion’s share of money for the last 15 years at least on major projects for transportation and, of course, economic growth has followed.

“This must be a chance to rebalance. It must work for the North. It is a huge investment for the North. Having fought for it, you must as a group work together and work out what you want from it. Otherwise you won’t get it.”

Phase one of HS2 will run from London to Birmingham. Phase two will connect Birmingham to Manchester on the west side and Birmingham to Leeds on the east side, with intermediate stations in the East Midlands and Sheffield.

Sir David, who is preparing a review for the Government on the schedule and cost of the project, said the second stage must be “much more than HS2”.

“There must be a lot more done on connectivity. We need to get much more leverage out of the interchanges. We must have a plan for what happens at the same time in the control periods,” he said.

Control periods cover five-year timespans for investment in railway infrastructure. As the outgoing chief executive of Network Rail, Sir David is finishing negotiations for the next five-year plan.

He said the two control periods covering 2020 to 2030 will be key to delivering improvements to wider transport connectivity in the second phase of HS2.

“We know from Europe that integrated transport is the key from Switzerland to Holland. It is how sophisticated countries work,” he said.

Sir David said transport hubs can be catalysts for regeneration, using the example of Stratford in East London, which is now home to one of Europe’s most successful shopping centres, Westfield. “That’s only because of public transport,” he said.

Sir David warned that some places benefited more than others following investment in transport.

“There are cities in France like Reims or Lille that have boomed because of high-speed rail and there are other cities like Tours that have done absolutely nothing.

“It is just a parkway halt with no advantage whatsoever because they have just sat back and said ‘high-speed rail is going to deliver a boom and we just need to sit and wait for it’ whereas other cities have said ‘it is coming in five or ten years’ time, we are going to have a clear business plan and get our act together’.”

Sir David said that Leeds needs to work out what it wants from the project and send its requirements to Government. The city council plans to commission a masterplan, working with the city region and HS2 Ltd.

Sir David said transport investment can help to address Britain’s “grossly unbalanced” economy with most regional cities underperforming in GDP per capita.

“My argument to all the politicians is we are all paying for that. It costs the economy and it costs the public. For me, reliable infrastructure, be it power or be it telecommunications or be it public transport, is central to that.”

Sir David faced questions from supporters and opponents of the HS2 project.
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Postby raveydavey » Fri 21 Feb, 2014 10:16 pm

Great post cnosni.

He is of right of course, but Wakefield and Bradford working with Leeds?
Wakefield (the city) has already publicly called for the scheme to be radically altered so they get a station, or scrapped altogether.

And experience of our wonderful council (Wakefield the councillor) and big projects hardly fills you with confidence, does it..?
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Postby cnosni » Sat 22 Feb, 2014 12:19 am

raveydavey wrote:
Great post cnosni.

He is of right of course, but Wakefield and Bradford working with Leeds?
Wakefield (the city) has already publicly called for the scheme to be radically altered so they get a station, or scrapped altogether.

And experience of our wonderful council (Wakefield the councillor) and big projects hardly fills you with confidence, does it..?


Indeed Davey, but what is the answer?

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Postby Phill_dvsn » Sat 22 Feb, 2014 12:47 am

cnosni wrote:

Indeed Davey, but what is the answer?

It takes an outsider to identify the shortcomings that we have as a city and a region, but what can we as a populace do to have the right people represent us?

    

Something needs to be done now Csnosi.

Personally I'm totally fed up with the failings of this council, the trolley bus episode being the very last straw.

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