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Postby Brandy » Sat 11 Sep, 2010 7:19 pm

Good stuff lads.Keep it comingRegular Smiley
Phill I think it's time you got them wellies on lol.
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Sat 11 Sep, 2010 7:26 pm

Brandy wrote:
Good stuff lads.Keep it comingRegular Smiley
Phill I think it's time you got them wellies on lol.

Just waiting for those Autumn colours to come for the outside sections mate Wink
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Postby Leodian » Sat 11 Sep, 2010 7:29 pm

I'm probably just thinking too hard (if that is possible!) but looking at the maps makes me wonder if the possible 'Lupton Avenue' stream was once joined by Meanwood Beck at that's now odd right angle turn. Thus it would not be that the Meanwood Beck suddenly did a 90 degree turn but that it was in effect a T junction with the theorised 'Lupton Avenue' beck which has long since filled in? I hope that at least makes sense! Regular Smiley
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Sat 11 Sep, 2010 9:08 pm

Leodian wrote:
I'm probably just thinking too hard (if that is possible!) but looking at the maps makes me wonder if the possible 'Lupton Avenue' stream was once joined by Meanwood Beck at that's now odd right angle turn. Thus it would not be that the Meanwood Beck suddenly did a 90 degree turn but that it was in effect a T junction with the theorised 'Lupton Avenue' beck which has long since filled in? I hope that at least makes sense! Regular Smiley


From what i can make out the Meanwood/Sheepscar/Lady & Timble culvert was constructed sometime around 1870. If you look on the 1850 map you can see none of it is culverted (with no sign of the Lupton Ave/Burmantofts stream on there)

If you look on the 1893 map you can see the culvert work was complete.

In 1866 the ' Sub Becks Committee' was inaugurated to improve the city's main industrial watercourses, the 'dishing' out and paving of the beck from Buslingthorpe down through Sheepscar would have been completed before 1872.



This is the 1893 map when the culvert work had been complete.



There definitely appears to be a feed, and that room is marked on this map. Does anyone else agree there appeared to be some kind of machinery, wheel or steps in there at one time?



I've marked what i think is the water feed in blue. The Goit? area in red? I'd love to find out what went on in there in days of old.

I can't even tell if it was connected to the Byron street woolen Mill. or the Hope Iron & brass Foundry.    


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Postby The Parksider » Sat 11 Sep, 2010 11:15 pm

chameleon wrote:
jim wrote:
Thinking about the land levels in the Torre Road area, there has always been a very noticeable valley from Lupton Avenue to the Mabgate area passing through the present-day junction of Beckett Street with Lincoln Green Road. The stream must in the past have been powerful or long-lasting enough to cut that valley. The lie of the land would compel rainwater to follow it still, so the stream must still exist underground, if only as a drainage sewer.


The land around the Torre Road Flyover does seem to be the natural high point in the area, thus a strem starting close by on the downthrow seems logical. as you suggest, it has probably been a more formal and enclosed sewer for some time - tha water collecting must always have somewhere to go - anything on your magic plans perhaps Cardie??



Gents...

Can you look on the 1850 OS Map available on old-maps (type in Burmantofts).

Can you see the substantial Stoney Rock Beck, coming from Harehills Lane down Stoney Rock Lane????

That would end up at Mabgate and join the beck you speak of around the Nippets.

Thoughts?????
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Postby chameleon » Sat 11 Sep, 2010 11:21 pm

The Parksider wrote:
chameleon wrote:
jim wrote:
Thinking about the land levels in the Torre Road area, there has always been a very noticeable valley from Lupton Avenue to the Mabgate area passing through the present-day junction of Beckett Street with Lincoln Green Road. The stream must in the past have been powerful or long-lasting enough to cut that valley. The lie of the land would compel rainwater to follow it still, so the stream must still exist underground, if only as a drainage sewer.


The land around the Torre Road Flyover does seem to be the natural high point in the area, thus a strem starting close by on the downthrow seems logical. as you suggest, it has probably been a more formal and enclosed sewer for some time - tha water collecting must always have somewhere to go - anything on your magic plans perhaps Cardie??



Gents...

Can you look on the 1850 OS Map available on old-maps (type in Burmantofts).

Can you see the substantial Stoney Rock Beck, coming from Harehills Lane down Stoney Rock Lane????

That would end up at Mabgate and join the beck you speak of around the Nippets.

Thoughts?????



Yes I looked there earlier and agree and from that dreww my thoughtds above parkie however, it is very much the same as the map posted the other day so I didn't duplicate it.

Phil: just a crumb to put in the melting pot -

'HISTORY: Hope Mill (flax) was owned by John Lawson (possible
the engineer still living in 1877) and William Walker (a cloth
drawer and building speculator) in 1812. It stood to the north
of this site and the owners developed the iron foundry from
c1820, Fowler's Plan of Leeds showing several buildings on the
edge of Mabgate Beck in 1831. The earliest plan showing the
entrance range (iron and brass foundry) is the 1850 OS map.
(Beresford MW: East End, West End: 1988-).'

Taken from:

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/england/west+yorkshire/leeds
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:04 am

Thanks for that link Chameleon. I'll take a look at that.
Cheers Wink

Hi Parksider. Well spotted.
Ok it's very hard to make out. But you can see a 'Stony Rock beck' marked on the 1851-54 map on this mapping website here
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html



It's very hard to make out what is what, coal seems and everything are marked on there. But the 'Stony Rock beck' is a new one on me.
I can't say i've ever heard of it before. The question is what happened to it as well?

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Postby Phill_dvsn » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:16 am



The best i can pick it out (I think lol)
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:36 am

I've just found this snippet of info about the Stony Rock stream from this Beckett street cemetery website here
http://snipurl.com/12rsbh

*Plans of the estate prior to the cemetery (Act ... Burial Grounds in Leeds, 1847; OS 1847) show a river called Stoney Rock Beck along the south-east boundary and open fields which by 1890 had been claimed by Stoney Rock Lane and adjacent brickworks (OS 1890)*
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Postby Phill_dvsn » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:46 am



9th June 1960 This side of Nippet Avenue was comprised of back-to-back houses. On the left is 9 which is followed to the right by 11, 13 and 15, which is on the right.

*This is the junction with Stoney Rock Lane, which was an ancient trackway along the line of Stoney Rock Beck*
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