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Cardiarms wrote: I came across this picture of the old station on Leodis. hasn't cropped up before because it's not mentioned on the caption. Doesn't help us much but it's nice view of it. Whats the 3 floor white building behind the old queens?    
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Cnosni, the white building you point out has had me racking my brains too and I now think I may have the answer. At first I thought the picture was from Park Row, but now believe it to be from a little further west at the end of Infirmary Street.The view down Bishopgate Street will now be at more of an angle, and the building we see is on the east side of the road with a triangular open space between it and us. Bishopgate Street passes it to the right from our viewpoint, and the building has another, longer, facade on to it. It is the old Scarborough Hotel which was further towards City Square than it is now. I take this information from two Godfrey maps, the first being the 1847 Lower Briggate & Riverside sheet, and the second the 1906 South Leeds It would appear that the earlier hotel was re-sited to allow widening of Bishopgate Street,and possibly at the same time as Neville Street and the old School Close Bridge over the goit were widened. This could have occurred when Leeds New Station was built in the 1870s.

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Further research in my map collection--don't laugh, everyone's got a fetish (some of us more than one) reveals that my date guess was out by twenty years or so. The old Scarborough Hotel appears on both McCorquodale's 1890 map and Bacon's 1901 map, whilst the 1909 OS revision shows it's replacement and the Bishopgate Street widening. I now think a more likely scenario would be that the works were undertaken along with the goit modifications shown in the photographs in Cardiarms earlier posting on this thread.

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jim wrote: Further research in my map collection--don't laugh, everyone's got a fetish (some of us more than one) .............. You are amongst friends here Jim and by that I mean several other posters have large map collections too
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Tyke Bhoy, I can tell I'm not aloo-o-o-ne here........(maniacal laugh).

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jim wrote: Cnosni, the white building you point out has had me racking my brains too and I now think I may have the answer. At first I thought the picture was from Park Row, but now believe it to be from a little further west at the end of Infirmary Street.The view down Bishopgate Street will now be at more of an angle, and the building we see is on the east side of the road with a triangular open space between it and us. Bishopgate Street passes it to the right from our viewpoint, and the building has another, longer, facade on to it. It is the old Scarborough Hotel which was further towards City Square than it is now. I take this information from two Godfrey maps, the first being the 1847 Lower Briggate & Riverside sheet, and the second the 1906 South Leeds It would appear that the earlier hotel was re-sited to allow widening of Bishopgate Street,and possibly at the same time as Neville Street and the old School Close Bridge over the goit were widened. This could have occurred when Leeds New Station was built in the 1870s. Im not sure it is the Scarborough,firstly look at this pic 1899http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIde ... escription states that it is looking at the roof of the pub,and if you notice on the right there appears to be some sort of rooftop wooden advertising hoarding,possibly advertising the name of the pub.To the left is a tall white wall,which you will note is higher than the roof of the supposed Scarborough.The white building looks very large to be a public house.unless it was a very ornate coaching houseThe white buildings lower large ground floor arched windows are more reminiscent of the Assembly rooms on Crown Street.Back to the first pic i believe the building to the left of the white one.http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... er=7984The same building being demolished 1899http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=358Found this though,and it shows Scarborough "Buildings" ,which turn out to be Heptons,so is the pub in the middle of this pic?No sign of advertising hoarding in the 1896 pic and its orientation and placement is at odds with the pic showing the demolished roof.DRAPESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!    
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http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... carborough Buildings/HeptonsI think there is something wrong with the 1906 map.The Scarborough,Spencers and the Griffin are positioned as we know them now.BUTGo up Bishopgate Street (towardsCity Square)and the layout of the buildings,are at an angle to the street contour itself,just as they appear in the 1847 map.Now those buildings were supposedley demolished around 1899 as pictures on previous message shows.So how can the building composition and layout be the same in 1847 and 1906 if the widening occured around 1899.I suspect,as is the case with the 1850 OS map, surveyed in 1847 by Captain Tucker RE ,that the 1906 map was surveyed before the white building and Heptons/Scarborough Buildings were demolished in 1899.Somehow the old layout and the new layout with the Scarborogh pub as it is now have been welded together.Or am i looking at it wrongly.(Hears distant the rustling of maps)    
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All the 1900-1910 or so OS maps are based on a survey in the late nineteenth century with some additions made later . The actual years of the original and later survey vary with area. In many cases where buildings have been demolished or rebuilt there appears on the map rather unnatural-looking areas which look too regular. These are usually where alterations have been made. The area that cnosni talks about is one such area where it looks like an alteration has been made. The map itself states at the bottom that it is was resurveyed 1889-90 with revisions in 1906. It looks like it revised some parts but not all    

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Hi Jim,have noted number and removed it.At work tomoz,willring when i cancnosni    

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