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[quotenick="uncle mick"] Leodian wrote: As it seems from earlier in the thread that Leeds Civic Trust do know the current location of the North Bar stone then why do they not publish it. It seems they do not know the exact location. This is the latest reply I got from themLeeds Civic TrustNot sure exactly. Central panel we think. Further investigations will be require once a contractor is on site. ARe you going to let them know where we think it is Mick?

[quotenick="cnosni"] uncle mick wrote: Leodian wrote: As it seems from earlier in the thread that Leeds Civic Trust do know the current location of the North Bar stone then why do they not publish it. It seems they do not know the exact location. This is the latest reply I got from themLeeds Civic TrustNot sure exactly. Central panel we think. Further investigations will be require once a contractor is on site. ARe you going to let them know where we think it is Mick? I sent them a message on the 5th I haven't received a reply, if I do I will keep you posted

I've just got the full size and better quality photo of the 1958 Vicar Lane scene. The full size photo can be seen in much better detail herehttp://tinyurl.com/oz8beqnFull size photo herehttp://tinyurl.com/ndknwwdI still can't make out what that Prestons shop was. I thought it might have been Preston the Chemist. But it appears to say ''The cash.....?????? I can't make out the last part of it. Also looking at that photo with the faces in the upstairs window of the bus station. Wasn't there some kind of cafe up there at one time? I seem to recall you could go up there, and the entrance to the stairs up to it was in the actual covered entrance itself. The memory can play tricks, so I might be completely wrong. It wasn't until I saw this thread to remind me that the now hidden entrance ever existed. Despite going through it a good few times in the 1970's. It's funny how you don't notice these kind of places disappearing at the time.             

I think it says "The Cash Furnishers". There's a similar old sign on this Flickr photo:http://www.flickr.com/photos/maggiejones/6368977831/By the way, there is an original "St Julien" tobacco advert low down in the doorway of Bakery 164 on Woodhouse Lane opposite the University Parkinson Building. If you want a photo of it, you'll have to go when it's open as there is a solid door in the way at other times. Unfortunately it's not visible on Google Street View as two people are blocking the sign while grappling with a sandwich board!

Photos can be so frustrating at times! I wonder (but very likely being very imaginative) if it states of Preston's "The Cask Finishers"?That's an interesting shaped area low on the wall to the right (as seen) of the women near the entrance steps. I still recall those steps, but not if there was a North Bar there- well it was long ago when I was a kid, no doubt looking forward to bus trips out.Edit shortly after posting. I must type faster and not keep changing my wording, as Tasa's post came in while I was still doing my initial post! Yes, 'The Cash Furnishers' does look more likely.             

Tasa wrote: I think it says "The Cash Furnishers". There's a similar old sign on this Flickr photo:http://www.flickr.com/photos/maggiejones/6368977831/ Thanks Tasa I was scratching my head trying to match words together. The nearest I could get was 'Cash Convertors' that had the slightest resemblance to the scrawling on the wall. Of course they didn't have those kind of places in the day, they were good old fashioned 'Pawn Brokers' If I recall there was a similar sign on Harehills Lane. A sort of weekly payment price list for rolls of lino, household goods, and other furniture items e.t.c.     Leodian wrote: I still recall those steps, but not if there was a North Bar there- well it was long ago when I was a kid, no doubt looking forward to bus trips out. Actually I do recall the bar stone myself Leo. For one reason only - I was at building college in the early 1980's. We got taught about engineering datum marks. I remember the lecturer saying you can see these datum levels in old building and along kerb edges. More often than not it's a 'crows foot' arrow.Anyway I did notice the North bar stone at the time.But had no idea of it's significance and it wasn't just an every day common datum level.         Leodian wrote: That's an interesting shaped area low on the wall to the right (as seen) of the women near the entrance steps. Yes indeed Leo.. The interesting shape on the wall is the North bar stone we all seem to agree on now                 

That being so, I had a mooch today. 10 mins to spare before Grand Arcade 1100 performance so inspected the point.Almost exactly on the join of the WY bus station brickwork to it's left neighbour there has been applied a wood/mdf frontage which is painted. Lower left has some sort of panelling and it looks to have been applied all as one to give it a shop front look.So hopefully, there it is. Slightly surprised that LCC, Civic Trust etc aren't able to list it and that it was allowed to be vanished in first place. In fairness to them as between an owner, managing agent, (shop)tenant, it's shopfitting contractors etc things do go adrift.Praps we should all write to our MP's & Councillors.http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/

^^^^^^^ or they YEP, another chance for them to steal some thunder.

On the subject of ancient stones anyone heard of the pawdmire and greystone ?

polo wrote: On the subject of ancient stones anyone heard of the pawdmire and greystone ? They are both mentioned as "lost" in the Heritage Assessment Report for Millgarth Police Station and are described as boundary stones near St Peter's Church (now Leeds Minster). This is the link to the full document but I've also pasted the relevant paragraph below. "The Site" refers to Millgarth.http://alturl.com/ean56The report includes some good maps of the area - most can be found online in the public domain but there is a Fire Insurance map from 1902 which I've not seen before."Further records of medieval activity are located to the south and west of the Site and include a market cross, reported by Thoresby, as standing on Briggate to the west of the site [2422]. This was rebuilt in the eighteenth century, but was demolished by 1864. Boundary stones named as Pawdmire Stone and Greystone lay near to St. Peter’s Church to the south of the Site, both of which are now lost [2510]. A stone-built oven, possibly that of Leeds Manor, was discovered by workmen clearing buildings on Kirkgate, to the west of the Site, in the nineteenth century [3443]." I've also seen another reference to Greystone, which is part of a myth relating to Armley. It's covered in some online history books (search Google books for Armley Giant or Giant's Hill) but is also featured in this YEP article:http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... 1-2767321A photo of the stone purporting to be the Greystone was taken in 2007 and added to Geograph UK - it was in a poor way at the time, covered in graffiti. I've never seen it myself but suspect it to be somewhere round the back of Rosebank Primary School on Burley Road - possibly it's been obliterated by the new buildings around there. It doesn't look worth a trip, judging by the photo!http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/347319