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Thread:  Prostitution Leeds


ARGIE (User)   Posted on: 09-Apr-2009 13:07:34.
I suppose this is appropriate give it most certainly "secret Leeds" - even if it is a bit of a close-to-the-wind topic.

I'm talking prostitution in Leeds.

I don't mind admitting that this subject has always facinated me, especially since I used to live in the badlands, as was, of Potternewton in the mid-1990s when things seemed to reach something of a head.

Shootings, drugs and prostitution were all rife.

I've often wondered why this leafy, once-proud corner of Leeds - a handsome part of town - was traditionally the red light district. Was it down in some part to the notorious pubs of the day, chiefly the Gaiety / Hayfield?

Any info / stories / facts etc appreciated.
Chrism (Administrator)   Posted on: 09-Apr-2009 13:15:18.
The White Swan (Mucky Duck) down Call Lane was also a haven for 'Ladies of the Night' and round the back of the Corn Exchange. Someone told me that! Regular Smiley

simong (User)   Posted on: 09-Apr-2009 13:52:00.
My guess would be that Potternewton is lots of big Victorian houses that could be turned into cheap flats and bedsits. Throw in proximity to the entertainment you mention and an easy ride out of city and you have the perfect conditions for the trade.

In recent years the centre of business in town seems to have been Water Lane, and I have also noticed women working around the Corn Exchange, which I suppose is still quite a quiet area at night despite its proximity to the Calls.

I'm not any expert on this but I seem to have spent a lot of my time living around such areas - in the early 90s I lived in Streatham and Tooting, and Tooting Bec Road was a busy area with the same sort of conditions as Potternewton. Then I moved to the East End and found myself near the areas that served the City - the Met waged a constant campaign around Spitalfields in an area that had hosted the trade for 200 years or more - perhaps the gentrification of the area has removed it but I wouldn't bet on it.
Chrism (Administrator)   Posted on: 09-Apr-2009 15:09:13.
I used to live in Marlborough Towers and there were women plying their trade on Kirkstall Road near Staples and The car-phone place. That was when the knocking shop (Winstons) was at the bottom of Marlborough Street.

Trojan (User)   Posted on: 09-Apr-2009 21:00:55.
The long gone Gaiety on Roundhay Road in mentioned in books about the Ripper as one of his haunts when looking for victims.
BLAKEY (User)   Posted on: 10-Apr-2009 08:44:37.
SIMONQ WROTE :-
"I'm not any expert on this but I seem to have spent a lot of my time living around such areas - in the early 90s I lived in Streatham and Tooting, and Tooting Bec Road was a busy area with the same sort of conditions as Potternewton. "
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There's a coincidence Simon, as I used to have relations in Leigham Court Road Streatham and visited there regularly right from the middle of WW2 until recently. I can remember Streatham being a really nice refined area but the way it has gone down the drain in recent years is distressing to say the least. I had no idea that Tooting Bec was "5 star" in this connection - mind you as a young lad heaing for the wonderful motor boat lake in those days such things were far from the mind.


simong (User)   Posted on: 10-Apr-2009 19:11:40.
BLAKEY wrote:

There's a coincidence Simon, as I used to have relations in Leigham Court Road Streatham and visited there regularly right from the middle of WW2 until recently. I can remember Streatham being a really nice refined area but the way it has gone down the drain in recent years is distressing to say the least. I had no idea that Tooting Bec was "5 star" in this connection - mind you as a young lad heaing for the wonderful motor boat lake in those days such things were far from the mind.


My sister lives in Croydon so I go down that way a few times a year, and what seems to have happened is that the demand for housing has pushed the poorer residents of the city down the A23, particularly the West Indian/Caribbean former residents of Brixton. However the desirable property is that near the main transport routes so it's those areas that have been polished up and the rest of the area has declined somewhat. It means that there's lots of cheap property to be had which is often taken by eastern Europeans, and it's quite interesting to see how it changes the face of an area - West Indian and Caribbean shops have now been replaced by Polish and other eastern European shops. If south London has had the same experience as other parts of the country and the eastern Europeans have now gone home it must leave something of a void for landlords who specialise in cheap housing.
It wasn't Tooting Bec as such, as it is on the Tube and is therefore desirable, but the roads between the Bec and Streatham were cheap but not too badly presented when I lived there, but if they've spent 15 years not being improved at the cost of more attractive properties, they get filled by the current migrant population, and the associated dubious industries that need cheap property.
Steve Jones (User)   Posted on: 11-Apr-2009 14:30:25.
The White Swan down call Lane was definitely a prostitute pick up place in 1980's.I remember going in once just after I had moved to wakefield, to see what the place was like as a fancied a drink having just been to a meeting at the Fat freddys cafe that used to be at the end of Call lane.Whilst sipping my pint I idly wondered how come the older men in there seemed to have copped off with younger women.It was only when I spotted one slipping some cash to his companion that the penny dropped!
Incidentally it has always been a mystery to me that whilst Leeds,Bradford and even Huddersfield had red light areas,Wakefield has never had one as such.
I also once spent a hair raising night in the flat of a girl who rented the top floor of the hayfield and who hadn't told me where she lived after offering me a bed for the night(she wasn't on the game!) when I got stuck in leeds after a meeting!She sternly warned me that on no account should I venture downstairs into the pub unless I wanted my head blown off(there was no such thing as closing time in that pub,the noises went on all night)


Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 15-Apr-2009 22:40:24.
Cira 1985 i was living on Avenue Crescent in Harehills, and one Friday night i decided to take a walk to my evening job at the Old Bank.

Just happened to go down Spencer Place on the way... it was pretty blatent, groups of women stood on the kerb, i think one of them mistook me for a guy and asked if i wanted 'business' Shocked

A few years later, i met a woman who'd rented a flat there in the early 90s, she said that the guys driving past figured everyone there was on the game, and she kept getting propositioned while nipping across to the corner shop.

Used to pass Water Lane a lot a few years back too, on the way to Wednesday nights at The Grove... there were usually hookers out but i'd have to say that not only must the girls have been pretty desperate to have been doing that, from the look of them, the guys must have been pretty desperate too to pick them up. I don;t mean that in an awful way, but they generally looked well rough.
Chrism (Administrator)   Posted on: 15-Apr-2009 23:39:43.
Spencer Place was well known for hookers too.

Brandy (User)   Posted on: 16-Apr-2009 00:20:55.
Chrism wrote:
Spencer Place was well known for hookers too.


lolRegular Smiley
Reginal Perrin (User)   Posted on: 16-Apr-2009 09:52:07.
Can someone tell me how places like Winstons get away with trading blatantly as a knocking shop? Are th epolice just happy to have it contained largely in one place?

simong (User)   Posted on: 16-Apr-2009 11:54:48.
Reginal Perrin wrote:
Can someone tell me how places like Winstons get away with trading blatantly as a knocking shop? Are th epolice just happy to have it contained largely in one place?


Prostitution still isn't illegal, and never has been. What is illegal is soliciting and kerb crawling. Winston's, or Churchill's on Dewsbury Road, don't do either. I know the boss of Churchill's and indeed did some web work for the place a couple of years ago, and it's not even illegal to book 'escorts' online: as with lap dancing, what the dancer/escort and punter agree to after the introduction is entirely up to them.

The city and the police do occasionally have a clampdown, and I believe did so about nine months ago, and can raid properties on the grounds of public nuisance or the various charges associated with prostitution, such as living on immoral earnings, and I think Churchill's was shut for a bit, which may or may not be on a tacit agreement with the police. However, their official status is as escort clubs and as long as they meet the general standards for such clubs they can stay in business.
Chrism (Administrator)   Posted on: 16-Apr-2009 11:55:29.
I know the one up Dewsbury Road has been busted and shut down, then it re-opened as Churchills. *raises eyes to ceiling* (Winstons to Churchills who are they trying to kid?) I think the "massage parlours" do get raided every now and then. Maybe it is like you said keep it all in one place. I suppose that's why the cops let the Snakepit stay open in the 70's. If they were after anyone for any crime they would possibly find them in there.

leedslily (User)   Posted on: 16-Apr-2009 12:06:42.
On my drive to work until quite recently I regularly used to see girls 'working' around Holbeck Moor and at the top end (Springwell Road area) of Water Lane - a sad sight, as most of them looked really young but also completely wasted, and personally I can't think of a much less appealing way to earn a living at 8 o'clock on a chilly winter morning.

Don't see them so often now - I think there was a police clampdown a while ago, probably part of the 'gentrification' of the edge of Holbeck into Holbeck Urban Village.
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 16-Apr-2009 12:41:59.
leedslily wrote:
On my drive to work until quite recently I regularly used to see girls 'working' around Holbeck Moor and at the top end (Springwell Road area) of Water Lane - a sad sight, as most of them looked really young but also completely wasted, and personally I can't think of a much less appealing way to earn a living at 8 o'clock on a chilly winter morning.

Don't see them so often now - I think there was a police clampdown a while ago, probably part of the 'gentrification' of the edge of Holbeck into Holbeck Urban Village.


I think these days, it's more a case of earning their next fix rather than a living so your comment about being wasted is right. It's also well reported that the health risks to those partaking of their services are far greater than was once the case because of this and the results could well be devasting to say the least.

Phill had an interesting shot on here some time ago from unexpected observations whilst investigation old track of Marshall Street a while back! The activity in that area/Holbeck/Beeston is a direct result of trying to stamp it out in particular in Chapeltown years ago proving perhaps that the Oldest Profession will not go away, whatever peoples ideals, it will just move home and will likely do so again before long.


zip55 (User)   Posted on: 17-Apr-2009 05:32:29.
Deffo on Spencer Place ... and the Gaeity had strippers at lunchtimes in the 70's ...    
kierentc (User)   Posted on: 17-Apr-2009 10:02:16.
some of the newish 'bargain' hotels of leeds, much loved of hen and stag parties are turning into unofficial 21st century knocking shops. some of the girls are getting rooms by the night to take their customers, which at least is a bit safer for them...

not saying which hotels though as i don't want to be sued, lol.

it's not just girls either, sadly water lane is also a red light district for males too, usually underage one who are absent from their childrens/foster home Angry


Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 17-Sep-2009 19:59:50.
The other night i went up my street and saw a red light on in the window of one of the houses. Figured it was prob. just some studie moved in with their mood lighting, but then tonight i went past again and a young woman is sat in the window reading a book, lit up by the red light on the windowsill.

I guess it could just be a young woman who likes reading and all the lights have gone in her house except that one :~
cnosni (Administrator)   Posted on: 17-Sep-2009 20:51:08.
Crazy Jane wrote:
The other night i went up my street and saw a red light on in the window of one of the houses. Figured it was prob. just some studie moved in with their mood lighting, but then tonight i went past again and a young woman is sat in the window reading a book, lit up by the red light on the windowsill.

I guess it could just be a young woman who likes reading and all the lights have gone in her house except that one :~


sure it wasnt one of those eco bulbs on its way out?Wink


Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 17-Sep-2009 22:02:36.
I'd have to confess that i've never known one to go like that.

Maybe she dropped a box of them and the mercury leaked out and addled her, it might explain her poor judgement.
Trojan (User)   Posted on: 17-Sep-2009 22:08:03.
zip55 wrote:
Deffo on Spencer Place ... and the Gaeity had strippers at lunchtimes in the 70's ...    

The Gaiety is mentioned in Roger Cross's book about the Ripper, I think he picked up one of his victims there. (the Ripper that is not Roger Cross)


liits (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 07:13:43.
simong wrote:
Reginal Perrin wrote:
Can someone tell me how places like Winstons get away with trading blatantly as a knocking shop? Are th epolice just happy to have it contained largely in one place?


Prostitution still isn't illegal, and never has been. What is illegal is soliciting and kerb crawling. Winston's, or Churchill's on Dewsbury Road, don't do either. I know the boss of Churchill's and indeed did some web work for the place a couple of years ago, and it's not even illegal to book 'escorts' online: as with lap dancing, what the dancer/escort and punter agree to after the introduction is entirely up to them.

The city and the police do occasionally have a clampdown, and I believe did so about nine months ago, and can raid properties on the grounds of public nuisance or the various charges associated with prostitution, such as living on immoral earnings, and I think Churchill's was shut for a bit, which may or may not be on a tacit agreement with the police. However, their official status is as escort clubs and as long as they meet the general standards for such clubs they can stay in business.


Since the licensing act changed to give us its new form, Local Authorities now look after all forms of licensing not just bits of it.
Things like Lap Dancing clubs, not that I’m saying that they’re knocking shops, now only have the same license as an ordinary pub –or the few that are left. The only possible difference between then being that the lap dance venue has “Dancing” [the type, form, style or by whom not specified] as a licensable activity.
If the venue has a SEE License [Sex Encounter Establishment] e.g. massage parlour, sauna etc they have a different licensable activity where “where sexual stimulation for the customer is brought about by the exposing of genitals, urinary or excretory organs or other parts of the body” [note that it says by the customer].
This was a big slip up for when licensing laws changed. Now there is a presumption to grant ALL licenses unless there is just cause to refuse. Seemingly, objecting to a lap dancing club because dancing is carried out won’t get the licence refused and because they only dance, they don’t need a SEE license!
Lots of pubs in London who had the foresight to ask for dancing as a licensable activity when the 2003 Act came in are now putting on lap or pole dancing nights. Coming to a pub near you...... [before it shuts down, presumably].
biggee99 (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 09:16:59.
Not a good thing prostitution but think of it like this how many wife's are with there husbands for one thing money, and how many would stick with the husbands boy friends if they had no money, now don't go one guys think about it?????????? the truth hurts

Cardiarms (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 10:57:00.
So you're saying a lot of women are just sponging prozzies?
simonm (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 11:04:47.
Don's tin hat and creeps under bed to avoid [edit]!    

Lilysmum (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 11:44:22.
biggee99 wrote:
Not a good thing prostitution but think of it like this how many wife's are with there husbands for one thing money, and how many would stick with the husbands boy friends if they had no money, now don't go one guys think about it?????????? the truth hurts

Was going to post a reply to this comment but it's probably best just to ask Brandy to put a BIG line under it!!!!!
biggee99 (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 11:55:27.
No certainly not all of them.

biggee99 (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 17:26:55.
It a real world we live in and money talks. I know so called friend who would not talk to you if you had no money when people get close to the truth it hurts, secrets and life. They are many people who get paid to surf around the internet around £125 per week to give disinformation paid by organisations to make fun of the truth that we are getting close to, any way back to secret Leeds got some good stuff underground in cross gates this is big and going to blow the lid on this story with photos, but might get pulled off the forum not in the pubic interest well i will try it soon.
don't meen to affend but only the truth.
Si (Administrator)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 17:35:47.
Biggee, this forum is self-policing, and there is no truth in the rumour that you can be edited for sayi













biggee99 (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 17:40:57.
barack obama barack obama barack obama's morning egg!


chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 18:22:26.
Si wrote:
Biggee, this forum is self-policing, and there is no truth in the rumour that you can be edited for sayi


Si if you carry on using this site to spread the truth like this I'll have to take advice on using the Big Red ButtonWink


chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 18:23:41.
biggee99 wrote:
Nice to know thank you


Seriously bigee, unless something does or could cause offence, it stays.
Si (Administrator)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 19:13:56.
chameleon wrote:
Si wrote:
Biggee, this forum is self-policing, and there is no truth in the rumour that you can be edited for sayi


Si if you carry on using this site to spread the truth like this I'll have to take advice on using the Big Red ButtonWink

Sorry Cammy. Just joking.




Wink


franco (User)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 19:52:36.
I'm suprised no one has mentioned Sauna 2000 on the Hunslet road. It's above a fish and chip shop.Has anyone tried their specials?
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 18-Sep-2009 20:50:42.
Si wrote:
chameleon wrote:
Si wrote:
Biggee, this forum is self-policing, and there is no truth in the rumour that you can be edited for sayi


Si if you carry on using this site to spread the truth like this I'll have to take advice on using the Big Red ButtonWink

Sorry Cammy. Just joking.




Wink

That's much betterRegular SmileyRegular SmileyWink


simonm (User)   Posted on: 19-Sep-2009 01:36:18.
Si wrote:
Biggee, this forum is self-policing, and there is no truth in the rumour that you can be edited for sayi












Regular SmileyRegular SmileyRegular Smiley
simonm (User)   Posted on: 19-Sep-2009 01:37:01.
biggee99 wrote:
Nice to know thank you

big fat [edit] off wHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

Regular SmileyRegular Smiley    


BobRustNeverSleeps (User)   Posted on: 20-Sep-2009 09:59:31.
NO TAX GOLDIE!!!!!
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 20-Sep-2009 10:48:33.
BobRustNeverSleeps wrote:
NO TAX GOLDIE!!!!!


You'll remember the incident outside an office in Eastgate then? Wink


Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 20-Sep-2009 12:16:14.
Wasn't she on the James Whale show at least once?
Cardiarms (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 16:29:51.
Has the uncerground crossgates secret been blown or have the defenders of the truth been hushed?

chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 17:42:36.
Cardiarms wrote:
Has the uncerground crossgates secret been blown or have the defenders of the truth been hushed?


We must assume it has suffered the same fate as the photographs of the new Secret Leeds War Bunker.
Cardiarms (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 19:40:04.
Perhaps the battery ran out on his camera as mine did when I tried to take pic of the gas lamp in Headingley.

Phill_dvsn (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 21:21:57.
Cardiarms wrote:
Perhaps the battery ran out on his camera as mine did when I tried to take pic of the gas lamp in Headingley.


I think i beat you to photographing that gas lamp, there's two very close by.
Which one do you mean?
This one?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3914279053/

Or this one?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3915060804/in/set-72157620636372505/
Cardiarms (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 21:41:36.
The first one's the one! The blue lamp. In plain view but tucked away at the same time. You win a frozen chicken, it's in the post. put the pics in the gaslamp thread!

Phill_dvsn (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 21:52:44.
Cardiarms wrote:
The first one's the one! The blue lamp. In plain view but tucked away at the same time. You win a frozen chicken, it's in the post. put the pics in the gaslamp thread!

I'll enjoy the frozen Chicken as much a a cold Turkey i suspect Regular Smiley
But cheers anyway ha ha!#

(I can't add picture attachments on S.L no more with my browser or i would)
    
Cardiarms (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 21:55:52.
Links will do. Keep it tidy!

chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 22:23:43.
Phill_dvsn wrote:
Cardiarms wrote:
The first one's the one! The blue lamp. In plain view but tucked away at the same time. You win a frozen chicken, it's in the post. put the pics in the gaslamp thread!

I'll enjoy the frozen Chicken as much a a cold Turkey i suspect Regular Smiley
But cheers anyway ha ha!#

(I can't add picture attachments on S.L no more with my browser or i would)
    

lamp1
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 22:24:32.
lamp 2

Phill_dvsn (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 22:29:44.
HEY PRESTO!
Rub that magic lamp and a gas light or two appears! Wink
All we need now is a 'Fanny' seen as it's in the prostitution thread hehe!    

Cheers Chameleon Wink    
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 22:31:19.
Phill_dvsn wrote:
HEY PRESTO!
Rub that magic lamp and a gas light or two appears! Wink
All we need know is 'Fanny' seen as it's in the prostitution thread hehe!    


your wish is my command.....Regular Smiley

(Wasn't you on the foot bridge near me the other day was it?)


Phill_dvsn (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 22:42:52.
I was there on Saturday evening, 5ish?
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 22:45:43.
Phill_dvsn wrote:
I was there on Saturday evening, 5ish?


No, same chap a few lunch times - in the distance....with a Nikon I think. If you get there during the week - give the camera pointing at you from half way up the building a wave!


Phill_dvsn (User)   Posted on: 22-Sep-2009 23:38:08.
chameleon wrote:
Phill_dvsn wrote:
I was there on Saturday evening, 5ish?


No, same chap a few lunch times - in the distance....with a Nikon I think. If you get there during the week - give the camera pointing at you from half way up the building a wave!

Will do Regular Smiley
I was surveying the chances of a last photo shoot in the pool.
C.C.T.V and humans are no match for stealth mode, I'm not too sure about the canine senses of hairy old Brutus i spied here Wink
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3946124912/in/pool-secretleeds    

He does look a bit mean!    
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2009 17:29:09.
Phill_dvsn wrote:
chameleon wrote:
Phill_dvsn wrote:
I was there on Saturday evening, 5ish?


No, same chap a few lunch times - in the distance....with a Nikon I think. If you get there during the week - give the camera pointing at you from half way up the building a wave!

Will do Regular Smiley
I was surveying the chances of a last photo shoot in the pool.
C.C.T.V and humans are no match for stealth mode, I'm not too sure about the canine senses of hairy old Brutus i spied here Wink
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3946124912/in/pool-secretleeds    

He does look a bit mean!    


Was watching one of his friends today toying with a bit of scrap. Actually it was a water tank some 4mx2mx2m or more. through it around in the air between his teeth till it fell apart and finished off the stuborn bits by rolling over them and using his arm to (literally!) jump up and down on itShocked I do admire those guys.

Security is pretty hot and 24hr I think Phill so be careful - some big drops developing too - and water!    


Phill_dvsn (User)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2009 18:24:26.
I think Brutus put that idea to bed for a while lol Wink
Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 30-Sep-2009 22:49:27.
This website thing was in the news so i figured i'd look and see what it had to say about Leeds

Field reports(!) and ratings of working girls in Leeds. Some vaguely entertaining in a vaguely sadistic way if you only read the negative ones and you're not a guy, like lol what did they expect when they decided to cheat on their wives with a prossie.

    


Cardiarms (User)   Posted on: 30-Sep-2009 23:18:20.
Good Lord, a window into another world. I'll not try that link at work!
kenneth (User)   Posted on: 30-Sep-2009 23:21:25.
ARGIE wrote:
I suppose this is appropriate give it most certainly "secret Leeds" - even if it is a bit of a close-to-the-wind topic.

I'm talking prostitution in Leeds.

I don't mind admitting that this subject has always facinated me, especially since I used to live in the badlands, as was, of Potternewton in the mid-1990s when things seemed to reach something of a head.

Shootings, drugs and prostitution were all rife.

I've often wondered why this leafy, once-proud corner of Leeds - a handsome part of town - was traditionally the red light district. Was it down in some part to the notorious pubs of the day, chiefly the Gaiety / Hayfield?

Any info / stories / facts etc appreciated.
The oldest profession in the world. It is only a shame that it is so pimp controlled but I guess it has always been that way and now it's heroin driven where it used to be opium driven in Victorian times. I do think that there is a valid argument for legalising it as it offer a valuable service and by legalising it it could stop the persecution of those who work in it


chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2009 20:21:45.
An article in the YEP talks about Harriet Harmans call to have the website reviewing Leeds prostitutes shut down.

Written by, Mark Hookham.    
Leeds-lad (User)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2009 21:33:58.
chameleon wrote:
An article in the YEP talks about Harriet Harmans call to have the website reviewing Leeds prostitutes shut down.

Written by, Mark Hookham.

Good job it wasn't Alf Hookam    


Brandy (User)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2009 21:57:58.
Leeds-lad wrote:
chameleon wrote:
An article in the YEP talks about Harriet Harmans call to have the website reviewing Leeds prostitutes shut down.

Written by, Mark Hookham.

Good job it wasn't Alf Hookam




    
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2009 22:21:13.
Yup, YEP staff strike again - Hookham and Cool    

BLAKEY (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2009 08:49:31.
[quotenick="Crazy Jane"]This website thing was in the news so i figured i'd look and see what it had to say about Leeds:

The moral of this sad tale is plain for all to see - ALWAYS pay by credit card and then the contract is between the Bank and the "Supplier" - your money is safe LaughLaugh
    
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2009 12:35:55.
We've been keeping an eye on this thread as there is obviously a lot of scope for things to get out of hand!

Although there's no reason not to include it as a topic for discussion in general terms, we have to remember that not everyone will appreciate things which might appear which are unacceptable to some and not least, that we know this site is often viewed by young people - I gather it is used by some schools for research into Leeds history.

The Grandmothers and children principle has to apply - if you wouldn't want them to see it - don't post it!

After discussion on this, a number of moderators feel that actually naming and quoting from the website in question could be offensive to some and is not entirely in keeping with the site ethos.

We're sure that there was no malice or offence intended by including these but we feel they should be removed - if anyone wants to view the site - it won't be difficult to find!


Brandy (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2009 19:13:43.
chameleon wrote:
We've been keeping an eye on this thread as there is obviously a lot of scope for things to get out of hand!

Although there's no reason not to include it as a topic for discussion in general terms, we have to remember that not everyone will appreciate things which might appear which are unacceptable to some and not least, that we know this site is often viewed by young people - I gather it is used by some schools for research into Leeds history.

The Grandmothers and children principle has to apply - if you wouldn't want them to see it - don't post it!

After discussion on this, a number of moderators feel that actually naming and quoting from the website in question could be offensive to some and is not entirely in keeping with the site ethos.

We're sure that there was no malice or offence intended by including these but we feel they should be removed - if anyone wants to view the site - it won't be difficult to find!


SECONDED!
cnosni (Administrator)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2009 19:57:27.
chameleon wrote:
We've been keeping an eye on this thread as there is obviously a lot of scope for things to get out of hand!

Although there's no reason not to include it as a topic for discussion in general terms, we have to remember that not everyone will appreciate things which might appear which are unacceptable to some and not least, that we know this site is often viewed by young people - I gather it is used by some schools for research into Leeds history.

The Grandmothers and children principle has to apply - if you wouldn't want them to see it - don't post it!

After discussion on this, a number of moderators feel that actually naming and quoting from the website in question could be offensive to some and is not entirely in keeping with the site ethos.

We're sure that there was no malice or offence intended by including these but we feel they should be removed - if anyone wants to view the site - it won't be difficult to find!

Agreed,but oh god,fancy some school pupil reading some of my posts,never thought about that!!


chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2009 20:02:23.
cnosni wrote:
chameleon wrote:
We've been keeping an eye on this thread as there is obviously a lot of scope for things to get out of hand!

Although there's no reason not to include it as a topic for discussion in general terms, we have to remember that not everyone will appreciate things which might appear which are unacceptable to some and not least, that we know this site is often viewed by young people - I gather it is used by some schools for research into Leeds history.

The Grandmothers and children principle has to apply - if you wouldn't want them to see it - don't post it!

After discussion on this, a number of moderators feel that actually naming and quoting from the website in question could be offensive to some and is not entirely in keeping with the site ethos.

We're sure that there was no malice or offence intended by including these but we feel they should be removed - if anyone wants to view the site - it won't be difficult to find!

Agreed,but oh god,fancy some school pupil reading some of my posts,never thought about that!!



Is that a penny I hear dropping? Wink

Don't really think you've too much to worry about cnosniRegular Smiley
Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2009 20:28:16.
" your money is safe LaughLaugh"

But not your marriage if the wife sees your bank statement!

No problem with you guys removing the quotes/link, i forget that this website, unlike most of the internets, is family friendly Laugh


chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2009 20:51:21.
Crazy Jane wrote:
" your money is safe LaughLaugh"

But not your marriage if the wife sees your bank statement!

No problem with you guys removing the quotes/link, i forget that this website, unlike most of the internets, is family friendly Laugh


Easily done when you get drawn into something you want to talk about.
BLAKEY (User)   Posted on: 05-Oct-2009 07:46:11.
Crazy Jane wrote:
" your money is safe LaughLaugh"

But not your marriage if the wife sees your bank statement!



LaughLaugh No danger of such a circumstance these days Jane, nor of any such entry occurring on it anyway LaughLaugh


Ollie (User)   Posted on: 18-Oct-2009 04:31:17.
Remember standing in the West Yorkshire Bus Station on Vicar Lane back in the sixties, this female, obviously a lady of the night, tapped me on the shoulder and asked "do you want a nibble"....I replied "no love, I want an Hebble, I'm of to Halifax.
wilfbarr (User)   Posted on: 02-Jan-2010 16:23:17.
Chrism wrote:
Spencer Place was well known for hookers too.
the word hooker is us slang it's named after a us general
hooker round the Gipton area they was known as brass nails
wilfbarr


grumpybloke (User)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2010 13:46:47.
I think I once read that the Dark Arches used to be a red light area in times gone by. Anyone know if that's correct?
biggee99 (User)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2010 14:40:05.
They do a good job if you like lots of sex why give it away get paid for it. Why buy a cow when you only want the milk???????

chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2010 19:08:26.
grumpybloke wrote:
I think I once read that the Dark Arches used to be a red light area in times gone by. Anyone know if that's correct?


Leeds Described by Brears and Heap details the less salubrious activities which this area was well known for. Prostitution indeed and not somewhere for the unwarey to venture at night.
grumpybloke (User)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2010 20:16:32.
They do a good job if you like lots of sex why give it away get paid for it. Why buy a cow when you only want the milk???????

Couldn't agree more as exchanging cash for sex is simply a business transaction. I used to work in Holbeck and chatted to lots of girls as I went to the post box or cash machine and I think only a couple were noticeably drug users.


PC - Dublin (User)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2010 21:48:32.
Looks as if it's time to bring this thread to a close??
grumpybloke (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2010 00:31:44.

grumpybloke wrote:
I think I once read that the Dark Arches used to be a red light area in times gone by. Anyone know if that's correct?


Leeds Described by Brears and Heap details the less salubrious activities which this area was well known for. Prostitution indeed and not somewhere for the unwarey to venture at night.

Thanks for the reply. When was this?


BLAKEY (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2010 08:51:11.
[quotenick="chameleon"]
grumpybloke wrote:


Leeds Described by Brears and Heap ....................................
not somewhere for the unwarey to venture at night.


Not much change today then eh, and I say that only partly in jest.
sonypc100 (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2010 09:12:02.
PC - Dublin wrote:
Looks as if it's time to bring this thread to a close??



For any particular reason?


LS13 (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2010 20:01:18.
chameleon wrote:
grumpybloke wrote:
I think I once read that the Dark Arches used to be a red light area in times gone by. Anyone know if that's correct?


Leeds Described by Brears and Heap details the less salubrious activities which this area was well known for. Prostitution indeed and not somewhere for the unwarey to venture at night.


I'd heard that too and always felt it was typical 'Jack the Ripper' territory. I always took it with a pinch of salt though-after all, theres nothing down there so anyone skulking about in the shadows would obviously be up to no good, so would be an easy collar for the bobbies of the day?
Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2010 20:03:27.
Maybe PC Dublin is going to arrest everyone for soliciting? Wink

LS13 (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2010 20:03:51.
My mother used to tell me that Leeds was known as 'sin city' to the Yanks during and after the war and they were often banned from going into the City Centre. Apparently the Robin Hood pub was a notorious pick up joint for visiting soldiers (later became the Duchess). Maybe Leeds lasses are just naturally friendly...
liits (User)   Posted on: 04-Oct-2010 23:25:07.
LS13 wrote:
My mother used to tell me that Leeds was known as 'sin city' to the Yanks during and after the war and they were often banned from going into the City Centre. Apparently the Robin Hood pub was a notorious pick up joint for visiting soldiers (later became the Duchess). Maybe Leeds lasses are just naturally friendly...

The topic of Yanks and the Robin Hood pub has been mentioned before. Not that I want to cast doubt on your dear old Mum’s reminiscences but I don’t see what Americans were doing in Leeds during the war [to which they came late, as usual]. There were no airfields with Americans any closer than Lincolnshire [although they were, very briefly at Elvington and Holme-on-Spalding Moor during the 50’s] and the closest Canadians – easily confused with Yanks, I suppose, were at Linton on Ouse with the closest US Army, despite the myth of the film, “Yanks”, being at Burtonwood over towards Liverpool.


grumpybloke (User)   Posted on: 05-Oct-2010 16:30:26.
On Leodis there is a picture of Mint dry cleaners where it says the GI's took their uniforms for cleaning, so there must have been a few around somewhere.
LS13 (User)   Posted on: 05-Oct-2010 20:02:01.
liits wrote:
LS13 wrote:
My mother used to tell me that Leeds was known as 'sin city' to the Yanks during and after the war and they were often banned from going into the City Centre. Apparently the Robin Hood pub was a notorious pick up joint for visiting soldiers (later became the Duchess). Maybe Leeds lasses are just naturally friendly...

The topic of Yanks and the Robin Hood pub has been mentioned before. Not that I want to cast doubt on your dear old Mum’s reminiscences but I don’t see what Americans were doing in Leeds during the war [to which they came late, as usual]. There were no airfields with Americans any closer than Lincolnshire [although they were, very briefly at Elvington and Holme-on-Spalding Moor during the 50’s] and the closest Canadians – easily confused with Yanks, I suppose, were at Linton on Ouse with the closest US Army, despite the myth of the film, “Yanks”, being at Burtonwood over towards Liverpool.


I might be wrong but I'm sure I remember her saying there was a Canadian Forces club or similar in Leeds City Centre? I'm sure in those days people didnt really differentiate between Americans and Canadians, they'll all have been yanks!


Crazy Jane (User)   Posted on: 05-Oct-2010 21:07:51.
There were some stationed at Sherburn between York and Scarborough as well? My neighbour was stationed there and said they did 24 hour bombing runs from there with us on the day and the yanks on the night.

Maybe the came over to Leeds looking for a different kind of action?

I will run that with the warning that he does keep his postage stamps in the egg poacher these days, though his memory of anything before i was born seems pretty good.
Cardiarms (User)   Posted on: 05-Oct-2010 21:39:19.
Sherburn wasn't an operational airfield for bombers, but it was a transport airfield so all sorts could have stopped in on their way somewhere. The American airfields were in East Anglia and the Thames Valley, not yorkshire AFAIK.

beetee (User)   Posted on: 06-Oct-2010 00:48:02.
Termed as the World's oldest profession and of universal proportions. Hardly a worthy subject for Secret Leeds methinks.
chameleon (Administrator)   Posted on: 06-Oct-2010 06:48:18.
beetee wrote:
Termed as the World's oldest profession and of universal proportions. Hardly a worthy subject for Secret Leeds methinks.


Many topics are rather tenuous beetee and sometimes the worthiness or Leeds conection is difficult to see. Most die-off quickly. This one has reached 4 pages now so there is interest, and the content staying 'clean' and is made in relation to Leeds albeit in a wider sense....


nosirrah (User)   Posted on: 30-Oct-2011 01:01:33.
Trojan wrote:
zip55 wrote:
Deffo on Spencer Place ... and the Gaeity had strippers at lunchtimes in the 70's ...    

The Gaiety is mentioned in Roger Cross's book about the Ripper, I think he picked up one of his victims there. (the Ripper that is not Roger Cross)


That was Emily Jackson, around 1976. Her husband incidentally was drinking in the Gaiety as she was being murdered 800 yards or so down Roundhay road.

Some say he (the yorkshire ripper) picked up Irene Richardson there too, but the rippers statement reads "I was driving through some cross streets in the red light area and came across a large club", to anyone who knows that area his description is clearly what was then the International club on Francis street, but thats another story.
Ollie (User)   Posted on: 30-Oct-2011 04:35:01.
I was stood in the Yorkshire Bus Station one night, and this woman said to me "Hello love, Do you want a nibble"... I said "No I want an Hebble, I'm of to Halifax"

jdbythesea (User)   Posted on: 30-Oct-2011 10:08:33.
Ollie wrote:
I was stood in the Yorkshire Bus Station one night, and this woman said to me "Hello love, Do you want a nibble"... I said "No I want an Hebble, I'm of to Halifax"



That's funny Ollie - nice one. Although the "working girls" I recall seeing were more hubble-bubble toil and trouble than nibble or Hebble.
Scrumpy (User)   Posted on: 02-Nov-2011 19:53:41.
I was born in Chapeltown in the 1940s and lived there for 40 years and witnessed the successive waves of immigration - 1st the Jews, then the Poles, then West Indians, Pakistanis and now, I am told, eastern europeans. These included lots of unattached young men,so it's not surprising they looked for girls. The square bounded by Spencer Place, Chapeltown Rd., Barrack Rd.and Roundhay Rd. was the main area. It was full of big, formerly wealthy, houses suitable for multi occupation so that the working girls could easily find cheap, rented rooms. West Indians mainly organised pimping in the 50s and 60s, based in the Hayfield pub, and I believe it has now been taken over by the east europeans, and extended to people trafficking. Much of the old housing has been pulled down, so maybe the '' oldest profession '' has now moved away. I don't live there any more so I expect I am out of touch, now.    

grumpybloke (User)   Posted on: 02-Nov-2011 22:40:47.
Scrumpy wrote:
Much of the old housing has been pulled down, so maybe the '' oldest profession '' has now moved away. I don't live there any more so I expect I am out of touch, now.


Holbeck is the place these days, Water Lane, Nineveh Road, Manor Road, David Street, Copley Hill, Holbeck Lane, etc.
Johnny39 (User)   Posted on: 03-Nov-2011 00:19:26.
Years ago in the 50's/60's a lot of action, for want of a better word, was to be had in certain pubs in and around the centre of Leeds...so I've been told!

iansmithofotley (User)   Posted on: 03-Nov-2011 17:00:58.
Scrumpy said:

I was born in Chapeltown in the 1940s and lived there for 40 years and witnessed the successive waves of immigration - 1st the Jews, then the Poles, then West Indians, Pakistanis and now, I am told, eastern europeans. These included lots of unattached young men,so it's not surprising they looked for girls. The square bounded by Spencer Place, Chapeltown Rd., Barrack St. and Roundhay Rd. was the main area. It was full of big, formerly wealthy, houses suitable for multi occupation so that the working girls could easily find cheap, rented rooms. West Indians mainly organised pimping in the 50s and 60s, based in the Hayfield pub, and I believe it has now been taken over by the east europeans, and extended to people trafficking. Much of the old housing has been pulled down, so maybe the '' oldest profession '' has now moved away. I don't live there any more so I expect I am out of touch, now.


Hi Scrumpy,

What you have said, in my experience, is exactly right with regard to the occupants of Chapeltown, over the years. So far as relates to prostitution, I spent a lot of my Police career at Chapeltown Police Station and I worked in the Chapeltown Vice Squad for two or three years around 1980, dealing mainly with prostitution, other sexual offences, assaults and woundings, missing persons and liquor licensing. At that time, the ‘square’ was roughly Chapeltown Road, Harehills Avenue, Roundhay Road and Barrack Road.

You are also right about the ‘pimps’. At that time, I only ever came across one that was white. They were nearly all of West Indian origin and just a few of Asian origin. After the last war, there were a lot of people from Poland, Latvia, Serbia and the Ukraine who settled in the area, many of whom fought with the British or their parents had done so. For many years there have been ‘clubs’ for all of these nationalities in the Chapeltown area. I always found them to be good, hard working people, with strong family roots, who did not cause any trouble.

I think that, to some extent, many of the former residents of Chapeltown were re-housed in the Woodhouse and Little London areas, as the older houses were demolished and new houses built.




Johnny39 said:

Years ago in the 50's/60's a lot of action, for want of a better word, was to be had in certain pubs in and around the centre of Leeds...so I've been told!


Hi Johnny39,

You are correct. In the 1950’s, prostitution prevailed in the city centre particularly around Bond Street, Commercial Street, what is now known as the ‘Victorian Quarter’ and the area around Call Lane and the Corn Exchange. The King Edward and the Mitre pubs were infamous haunts.

In my experience, in the 1960’s, pubs such as the Robin Hood, the Golden Cock, the White Swan, the Hope and Anchor and all of the pubs around the Corn Exchange and Kirkgate were used by prostitutes and their punters. I worked on the Mary Judge murder in February 1968. She was a prostitute who had been in all of the pubs in this area, just prior to her death, which was at about 10.10pm, and took place near to the Parish Church. She had been with other clients earlier that night.


Ian